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''This article covers Daniel's arrest for on the 30th of April 2024 for his various federal charges. For other uses, see [[Jail (Disambiguation)]]''{{Ongoing}}{{Ambox
[[File:DanielMugshot4.png|thumb|Daniel's 4th mugshot. Why the long face?]]
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On '''April 30, 2024,''' Daniel was [[Daniel and the Law|arrested]] by the FBI and placed into Jefferson County Detention Facility with the charge being "courtesy housing for another agency", before being transferred out the next day <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1ch8ija/what_does_courtesy_housing_for_another_agency_mean/</ref> to Clear Creek County Jail. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cirs5b/the_federal_mugshot/</ref> This is considered by many to be one of the most significant event in Daniel's life.
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On '''April 30, 2024,''' [[Daniel]] was [[Daniel and the Law|'''arrested''']] and placed into Jefferson County Detention Facility. At the time of his arrest, the charges against him were undisclosed, with the listed reason being "courtesy housing for another agency." The following day, Daniel was transferred to the Clear Creek County Jail, where his mugshot was soon taken. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cirs5b/the_federal_mugshot/</ref>  


It was originally thought that this arrest was due to Daniel violating probation several times, as in the days following up to his arrest, Daniel [[Buffalo Wild Wings ejection|defrauded a Buffalo Wild Wings]], and admitted to viewing CSEM.<ref>[[:File:Daniels Admission.png]]</ref> However, according to a call made to his manager, [[Clark]], Daniel was arrested for the several terroristic threats he's made over the years, and according to his claims, he has federal charges which could land him in prison for several years.  
Initially, it was believed that Daniel's arrest was related to multiple probation violations, as in the days leading up to his arrest, Daniel [[Buffalo Wild Wings ejection|defrauded a Buffalo Wild Wings]], and admitted to viewing [[Pedophilia|exploitive material of children]].<ref>[[:File:Daniels Admission.png]]</ref> However, according to a call made to his manager, [[Clark]], Daniel was arrested for the several terroristic threats he had made over the past year. These claims were later backed by documents which revealed that Daniel had been charged with seven counts of threats, carrying a maximum sentence of 65 years.  


Ironically, Daniel was [[April 2nd Arrest|arrested just 28 days before this]], and both months prior; making this is the fifth time he has been arrested in 2024. However, unlike those arrests for being a fugitive from justice, this one seems to be a different charge, and unlike all of the others, he is ineligible for bond. Considering how much Daniel has gotten away with, Daniel could end up staying in jail for an extended period of time, much akin to the first [[Jail Arc]].
This was the fifth time Daniel had been arrested in 2024 alone, with the most recent occurring [[April 2nd Arrest|just 28 days prior to this]]. Unlike previous arrests, Daniel is ineligible for bond, and given the severity of the charges, there is a possibility he will never be granted bond. After his arrest, Daniel's contact with the outside world has been through sporadic phone correspondence, which suspended for nearly four months until September. He is currently in [[Jail Communications|contact with Clark and Lil Sippy]] through phone calls, letters and email; he calls Lil Sippy regularly.    
== Background ==
[[File:DanielArrestWarrent.png|thumb|Warrant for Daniel's arrest. |300x300px]]
On the 25th of April, a warrant was set out for Daniel's arrest due to Daniel having violated his probation multiple times along with other charges, especially since only 2 days after this warrant was issued, he was kicked out of a Pumphouse restaurant by the police on April 27, and the next day he was kicked out of Buffalo Wild Wings after defrauding the restaurant.  


On the evening of the 29th, he then went inactive on every one of his social media accounts, his last post saying that he was on the bus back to Boulder. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxsS17QYOV0UL9Eka2f4uORLmzDC1YXhJQ</ref>[[File:April30thBookingInfo.png|thumb|Booking information for Daniel's arrest. As a wise man once said: "Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.".|left]]Daniel is well known for making terroristic threats via social media and has made over 100 threats since 2021, although this habit of threat-making appeared to escalate in the weeks preceding his arrest. A prime example of this trend can be observed in the [[April 6th Meltdown]]. Daniel also made numerous threats against [[Bob Proctor]] on his YouTube community tab during this time, along with threatening a mass shooting against a hospital after being kicked out for loitering. This was also exacerbated due to Daniel making threats against a [[Daniel MacDougall|real FBI agent]] interrogating him for threats ''just like these''.
At the time, it was believed that Daniel's manager, [[Clark]], had been apprehended by authorities at his job due to his association with Daniel over the previous 10 months. However, it was soon revealed that Clark and members of Daniel's [[management]] were investigated by authorities who sought information about threats Daniel had made. Afterward, Clark officially resigned from being Daniel's manager, and admitted to lying about his entire existence to Daniel. This aforementioned call was speculated to have been the last contact Daniel has had with the outside world, but this would soon be proven false, as Clark (and [[Lil Sippy|others]]) continued to communicate with him months later.  


These threats would not serve him in the long run, as the Colorado PD would build a case against him, charging him with 7 counts of threats, which, even if unlikely, could land him in jail for 70 years if he were to be found guilty of all of them.  
This is one of the most significant events in Daniel's life, considering that he is currently at risk of being imprisoned for up to 65 years if found guilty on all charges. Many see this as the final blow, with his [[Plot Armor|plot armor]] truly breaking. It has also become the most publicized aspect of Daniel's life thus far, as multiple social media accounts and news articles have covered the situation as it unfolded.<ref>https://www.dexerto.com/tiktok/tiktoker-daniel-larson-to-remain-in-jail-due-to-mental-illness-2722839/</ref><ref>https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/daniel-larson-facing-federal-charges-and-arrest-for-bomb-threats-to-white-house-fact-checking-viral-claim-article-109829139</ref> The Second Jail Arc stands as the longest period of Daniel being incarcerated, followed by the [[November 6th Arrest]]. 
== The Arrest ==
Daniel was arrested in the afternoon of April 30, and booked into the Jefferson County Detention Facility, ineligible for bail. His charge was "courtesy housing for another agency" before he revealed that he was charged with 7 counts of uttering threats, likely from the [[April 6th Meltdown]]. He was transferred out of the facility the next day to Clear Creek County Jail. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cirs5b/the_federal_mugshot/</ref> <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1chlrey/hes_free/</ref>  


It was revealed that the FBI was made aware of the threats from the [[July 3rd Community Tab Incident]], the [[August 29th Meltdown]], [[Christmas Day Meltdown|the Christmas Day Meltdown]], and the [[March 23rd Meltdown]]. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cijm8w/federal_indictment_full_pdf/</ref>
On May 31, Daniel was transferred to [[wikipedia:Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Englewood|Englewood Federal Correctional Institution]]. He is currently held in a mental health facility for evaluation, and has been institutionalized since July 19 after being found incompetent to stand trial.  
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==Time In Jail ==


===First Call===
As of {{#time: F j, Y|Now}}, Daniel still remains in custody. He is scheduled to be transferred to a facility in Missouri for evaluation by December.
On May 1, 2024, Larsonleak released a call between Daniel and [[Clark]]. Daniel confirms that he was arrested by the "feds" for uttering threats. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1ci5r01/update_its_most_likely_all_over_folks/</ref>
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==Background==
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During the summer of 2023, a Secret Service agent named [[Daniel MacDougall]] began investigating Daniel following several terroristic threats he had made, namely one in which he threatened to blow up the White House. This threat in particular came right off of the heels of Daniel having had a [[7/11 incident|destructive meltdown]] in a Walmart after having his [[Dog Arc|dog]] taken from him. Following this, Daniel would have multiple meetings with MacDougall, including one notable encounter where he met with MacDougall and an associate of his.<ref>https://archive.org/details/p1Kq9L756V8</ref>[[File:DanielLastpost.png|left|thumb|Daniel's last post before his well-deserved arrest. ]]Despite being repeatedly warned by a legitimate Secret Service agent to cease making threats against people, businesses, and government agencies, Daniel refused, continuing to make threats, even making threats against MacDougall himself.<ref>[[April 6th Meltdown]]</ref> As a result, a case was built against Daniel, which eventually led to his arrest. Law enforcement interrogated both Clark, his then-manager, and members of Daniel's management to verify the threats he had made over the years. These testimonies provided the final pieces of evidence necessary to arrest Daniel. 
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On April 25th, a warrant was issued for Daniel's arrest. This was thought to be due to Daniel having violated his probation multiple times, even before the issuing of said warrant. This notion was only exacerbated by the fact that only two days after this warrant was issued, he was [[List of places that have banned Daniel|kicked out]] of a Pumphouse restaurant by authorities on April 27,<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cgq1rg/footage_of_the_pumphouse_incident/</ref> defrauded a [[Buffalo Wild Wings ejection|Buffalo Wild Wings]] the next day, and on his YouTube community tab, claimed to have viewed explicit material of children.  
===Full First Call===


On May 2nd, the flexburger<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DAIS-Dv8eY</ref> YouTube channel uploaded the full call between Clark and Daniel. Portions of the audio are removed by a robotic voice saying "property of Larsonleak" to keep some of the info hidden. Daniel starts by stating that the feds are looking into Bob's financial situation because they believe that Bob was committing fraud. Daniel then informs Clark that he has Federal court on Monday (5/6/2024) and has acquired a public defender. Daniel has been deemed a flight risk and the judge said that he is one step away from acting on these threats. Daniel drops a bombshell that the [[DDRC]] building had to be evacuated because of his bomb threats.
On the evening of April 29, Daniel became inactive on every one of his [[Social Media Accounts|social media accounts]], with his last post stating that he was on the bus back to Boulder.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxsS17QYOV0UL9Eka2f4uORLmzDC1YXhJQ</ref> [[File:April30thBookingInfo.png|thumb|"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him."|left|323x323px]]Daniel is well known for making terroristic threats via social media and is speculated to have made over 100 of these threats since 2021. This habit of threat-making appeared to escalate in the weeks preceding his arrest. A prime example of this trend can be seen in the [[April 6th Meltdown]], in which Daniel repeated the phrase "bomb you!" and "kill you!," where he is also seen threatening to vandalize several government buildings. Even more, Daniel [[January 26th Hospital Incident|threatened to carry out a mass shooting against a hospital]] after having been kicked out for loitering in January of the same year.
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These threats would not serve him well in the long run, as the Colorado Police Department was slowly build a case against him, charging him with seven counts of threats, which carries a maximum sentence of '''65 years'''.     


{{blue|Automated voice: ...call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1. To disconnect...}} {{green|*Clark presses 1*}} {{blue|Automated voice: Thank you for using [REDACTED]. You may start the conversation now.}}
In the indictment calling for Daniel's arrest, each threat Daniel had made that contributed to his arrest was stated, most notably one wherein Daniel threatened to bomb a non-profit organization which was soon discovered to be the Developmental Disabilities Resource Center, or the DDRC. The DDRC is a non-profit organization that helped house Daniel in the past, and while the reason behind this threat is unknown, Daniel's threats led to the building being evacuated and searched by bomb-sniffing dogs.    


{{red|Daniel: Hello?}}
Additionally, the case included the following Incidents:  


{{green|Clark: Dan? Jesus Christ, Daniel! }}
* [[July 3rd Community Tab Incident]], where he threatened to bomb Spotify's headquarters and a courthouse.
* [[August 29th Meltdown]], where he threatened to bomb the White House and every police station in the U.S.
* [[Christmas Day Meltdown]], where he threatened to kill Secret Service Agent [[Daniel MacDougall]].
* [[March 23rd Meltdown]], where he threatens to bomb the FBI headquarters and kill their personnel.


{{red|Daniel: Hey, can you hear me?}}
==The Arrest==
Daniel was arrested on the afternoon of April 30 during his probation meeting. He was booked into the Jefferson County Detention Facility, and was ineligible for bail. Before his actual charges were revealed, he was charged with, "courtesy housing for another agency." Daniel was transferred to Clear Creek County Jail the next day.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cirs5b/the_federal_mugshot/</ref><ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1chlrey/hes_free/</ref>[[File:ClarkArrest.png|thumb|Looks like management Better Call Saul!|344x344px]]


{{green|Clark: Yeah, I can hear you. How are you bud? }}
===Clark's (alleged) arrest, and interactions with Bob===
{{PleaseSpreadTheMessage|It is important to note that Daniel's management has not, and will not, face legal repercussions for their involvement with Daniel. Many have claimed that they will be going to jail for the same amount of time Daniel will, which is frankly ridiculous. However, you should still not attempt to interact with Daniel while he is incarcerated.}}


{{red|Daniel: Oh my God, um... I'm doing okay.}}{{green|*Clark stutters*}}{{red|Daniel: Um, the feds pretty much got me.}}
On May 3, [[Clark]], Daniel's former [[Management|manager]], reported in a Discord server that police officers had shown up at his place of work. Almost instantly afterward, Clark went offline. It was at first assumed that he had been arrested due to allegedly being an accomplice to all of Daniel's threats, as well as having alleged contact with the Secret Service agent that got Daniel arrested in the first place. This was later proven to be false.  
[[File:BobClarkText1.png|left|thumb|Text's between Clark and Bob. ]]
Following hours of silence, Clark resurfaced on Discord with concerning messages. He shared that he had been fired from his job for being, "too drunk." Additionally, he was contacted by Bob Proctor, Daniel's mentor, about Daniel allegedly getting into a fight while being held. This was a revelation nobody knew, as it was thought that since the [[Christmas Day Meltdown]], Bob had officially cut ties with Daniel.  


{{green|Clark: The feds got you?}}
After being contacted by bob, Clark stepped down as Daniel's manager. In his final calls to him, he admitted to Daniel that everything he had done up until that point had been fake, and that he would cease contacting him going forward.


{{red|Daniel: Like... yeah. This time the feds got me, and Bob told me that it wasn't going to happen and he didn't believe me. And, I went to probation yesterday and sure enough, the feds were there and they charged me with seven counts of, um, threats- from threats that I made.}}
Shortly after this call was conducted, a final call between Clark and Daniel was made. In texts to Clark, Bob stated that Daniel wanted to have a man-to-man talk with Clark.<ref>[[:File:BobClarkText3.png]]</ref>


{{green|Clark: Seven counts of threats?!}}
==The Charges==
Daniel is currently facing serious legal charges. Initially, he was facing six counts of, "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive," and one count of, "Interstate Communication of Threats."<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cimzie/joyous_day/#lightbox</ref> Each, "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive," charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in federal prison. The, "Interstate Communication of Threats" charge could add another five years.<ref>https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/844#:~:text=Whoever%20transports%20or%20receives%2C%20or,or%20personal%20property%2C%20shall%20be</ref><ref>[https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/875#:~:text=(c)-,Whoever%20transmits%20in%20interstate%20or%20foreign%20commerce%20any%20communication%20containing,than%20five%20years%2C%20or%20both. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/875#:~:text=(c)-,Whoever%20transmits%20in%20interstate%20or%20foreign%20commerce%20any%20communication%20containing,than%20five%20years%2C%20or%20both.]</ref> Based off of all seven charges, the maximum jail time that Daniel could face was 65 years in prison. It is difficult to accurately estimate to the fines that Daniel may face as they range quite substantially.  <gallery caption="Daniel's full indictment.">
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{{red|Daniel: Yup, under- under federal court.}}
==Legal Proceedings and communications==
See also: [[Jail Communications]]{{SpecialMessage|Message=Some scans of court documents may be in low quality. Help us out by getting higher quality/clearer scans.}}[[File:JaredPublicDefender.png|left|thumb|Daniel's public defender, Jared Westbroek. |274x274px]]


{{green|Clark: Holy shit!}}
=== First Jail Communication ===
Shortly after being incarcerated, Daniel had a phone conversation with [[Clark]], his then manager, on May 1.  As mentioned in these calls, Daniel was assigned a public defender due to him [[Daniel Larson's Finances|not having the means]] to obtain a lawyer. His attorney was soon identified as '''Jared Scott Westbroek.''' According to Daniel, his public defender is attempting to argue that Daniel could not have carried out any of his threats as he lacked the resources to do so, therefore he should be released.


{{red|Daniel: Yeah.}}
=== Second and Third Communication ===
On May 6, motivated by the interaction he had with law enforcement at his workplace, Clark [[Jail Communications#May 6|called]] Daniel, revealing that his entire existence was a lie, and everything he had done up to the point was a fallacy. This call is the most serious out of all of them, with Clark referring to it as the "most important call of his life." 


{{green|Clark: So this... shit! Uh...}}
On May 9, Clark reluctantly answered a phone call from Daniel after being convinced to do so, despite an earlier decision to cut contact. Daniel reached out in hopes to fix their friendship. Clark remained serious, telling Daniel he has many people to apologize to. This would be the last call Daniel would have for nearly 4 months.


{{red|Daniel: And... and not only that, the feds apparently are looking into Bob for his finances and the feds are also, on top of that, now looking into my bank statements to see the real amount he was giving me.}}
===Motion for Daniel's release===
On May 10, right before Daniel's court hearing, documents were found that detailed Daniel's public defender, Jared Scott Westbroek, introducing a motion for Daniel's immediate release. However, this motion, along with one filed the day before were both denied by the judge.<ref>https://www.dailycamera.com/2024/05/15/man-arrested-for-reportedly-threatening-to-use-explosives-on-the-white-house-and-fbi-headquarters/</ref><ref>https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68494815/15/united-states-v-larson/</ref> 


{{green|Clark: So they think Bob was also committing fraud as well?}}
These documents requested that Daniel be outfitted with an ankle tracker and placed under mandatory mental health treatment if released. This document also mentions placing Daniel into a halfway house, where he would presumably stay if he were to come out of jail, which has not happened yet.


{{red|Daniel: They think that he's committing fraud.}}
As of June 29, this motion has been left unresolved.


{{green|Clark: Shit! Holy sh-}}
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===May 10 court appearance ===
[[File:BobClarkText2.png|left|thumb|"Nothing was accomplished."|286x286px]][[File:NotGuilty.png|thumb|TLDR; He's not getting out. ]]Daniel appeared in court for an arraignment on May 10, 2024, and pleaded not guilty to all charges. Due to his not guilty plea, Daniel was not released from jail. Daniel was given a new trial date, set to July 15, which was stated in the Order of Detention following the trial.  According to Bob, Daniel stated that, "nothing was accomplished" following the hearing's conclusion.


[video cuts]
In texts to Clark, Bob tells him that he would be held until a mental health evaluation was conducted (which Daniel will most definitely fail). Additionally, Bob states that Daniel says the the "appearance got leaked," although it is unclear as to what Daniel meant by this. 


{{red|Daniel: ...money through his bank account or is he giving you cash and you're putting it into your bank, and I said both.}}
==== Order of detention ====
After the court hearing, the judge, Norman Reid Neureiter, issued an order of detention. This confirmed that Daniel would, in fact, remain in jail after pleading not guilty, as well as the judge demanding that Daniel complete a mandatory mental health evaluation. This order of detention also touches upon Daniel's request to be released.    <gallery caption="Gallery">
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{{green|Clark: Shit! And why, why did they take you up to [REDACTED]? Are you in [REDACTED] or [REDACTED]?}}
===May 23 Mental Health Evaluation Docket ===
A docket from May 23 ordered Daniel undergo a mental health evaluation. His July 10th and 15th court dates were canceled, and he was sent to undergo an evaluation at a mental health facility.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1e0ermn/his_court_dates_were_canceled/#lightbox</ref>


{{red|Daniel: I am in flippin' [REDACTED] of all places.}}
=== May 27 Docket Report ===
On May 27, a docket report was issued that detailed all of what had happened up to that point during Daniel's incarceration.  <gallery caption="Gallery">
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{{green|Clark: What the hell? Yeah I- because I missed your call last night because I didn't have my, uh, debit card or my credit card with me and I was like, alright, I'll just have to wait till tomorrow. Everyone said that...}}
===May 31 Transfer ===
[[File:DanielTransfer.png|thumb|Details of his transfer. ]]
On May 31, Daniel was transferred to [[wikipedia:Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Englewood|Englewood Federal Correctional Institution,]] which, coincidentally, is the same facility where sex offender and documented [[Pedophilia|pedophile]] Jared Fogle is being held.


{{red|Daniel: Right. Don't worry. Don't worry about that. It's okay.}}
===July 19 Competency Report===
A psychiatric report for Daniel filed on July 19, 2024. In this report, it is revealed that Daniel was deemed incompetent for trial, and would be institutionalized in an unknown mental health facility in hopes of being evaluated where he is currently in custody. The court hearing scheduled for September 23, 2024 was canceled. On July 26, an order was issued for Daniel to be institutionalized for no longer than four months. He was also deemed "sexually dangerous" in the order.  


{{green|Clark: OK.}}
Daniel will be re-evaluated around the end of November 2024.<ref name=":0">https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1flnstm/court_update/</ref><gallery caption="Gallery">
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{{red|Daniel: Um, I did also talk to the public defender. Um, I have court on Monday.}}
=== September 7 Clark Communication ===
On September 7, 2024, Clark [[Jail Communications#September 7|called]] Daniel for the first time in nearly 4 months. Daniel seems to have forgotten nearly everything they had spoken about in their last call, as he speaks about his delusion of being in contact with the Vanderwaal family. More importantly, Daniel divulges details of his current legal situation, most notably that he was going to be transferred to a psychiatric facility in a different state sometime in the near future, and that he had been in protective custody for up to 2 months at that point.  


{{green|Clark: OK.}}
===September 25 Report & Transfer Request ===
A report was filed on September 25, with Daniel's attorney demanding that he be transferred to a psychiatric facility within a week and that the court receive his evaluation by November 25, with the case to be dismissed if neither happened.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fpvbx0/pacer_update_daniels_attorney_is_making_demands/#lightbox</ref> Daniel's attorney believes that he has been in jail for longer than he should be and the reason is because the mental health facilities do not have any beds available. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fpylr0/the_most_recent_update_on_his_case_from_pacer/</ref> 


{{red|Daniel: OK, and it IS federal court...}}
On October 3, 2024, the court responded to this request, stating that his four-month evaluation period will begin in December. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fvn22q/court_update_10324/</ref> He will also be moved to Springfield Missouri that month, and will be re-evaluated in April 2025. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fy96ar/when_the_beast_is_released_what_will_wehe_do/</ref> However, staff in Daniel's jail said that he will not be transferred anytime soon, as he is not even on the list and there are no beds available. If he is not transferred to Springfield by December 31, 2024, the case will be dismissed which will result in Daniel being released. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gfrzu3/1030_sippy_cup_live_wmr_president_call/</ref>


{{green|Clark: *gasps, whispers* Fuck...}}
===Canceled & Future Hearings===
Daniel had a competency hearing scheduled for September 23, 2024, but it was ordered to be vacated, and he was to be reevaluated sometime at the end of November. <ref name=":0" /> <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1e55plg/update_competency_hearing_set_for_9232024/</ref> <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1e52a09/only_3_counts_of_7_now/</ref> However, this re-evaluation seems unlikely.


{{red|Daniel: ...they were saying that I was a slight risk and all the garbage that they're gonna say, but, it's okay.}}
=== Lil Sippy Jail Communications ===
In additional correspondence from jail to [[Lil Sippy]], another convicted criminal Daniel had acquainted himself with, Daniel provided updates on his current situation and experiences. Daniel would continue to double down his [[delusions]], threaten to sue the US Government, talk about how he thought Bob was ruining his life, asking Lil Sippy sexual questions over mail, and demanding his release from jail. Additionally, Daniel admits that he had not spoken to his lawyer since early August 2024.


{{green|Clark: Yeah. }}
==External Links==
{{SecondJailArc}}{{Chronology}}


{{red|Daniel: But they're looking at trying to put me in, um, like, basically higher security housing.}}
{{green|Clark: Geez!}}
{{red|Daniel: So, it would basically be basic housing, you know, just like *unintelligible*.}}
[video cuts]
{{red|Daniel: Um, they're saying that yes, I would be facing prison time if convicted but my public defender was saying that with me being homeless five years and being out in the cold, whether to point till I feel like I'm gonna die, and I'm panicking. When I panic, I say things that I don't mean- }}
{{green|Clark: True.}}
{{red|Daniel: ...and I didn't mean the threats, I don't know how to make explosive stuff like that, they said that, well, you know, that is true, you know that is- I DEF shouldn't have said. So...}}
{{green|Clark: Wow, that is- that is, that's perfect to say. I would listen to your public defender because he's 100% right. There's no way you could actually make a bomb or do anything that you said.}}
{{red|Daniel: Right, and I don't have a violent history, like, anything like that.}}
{{green|Clark: Exactly.}}
{{red|Daniel: My- the main concern the judge said is that it's one step away from doing so, and that's their concern if I get back out. And they're also concerned that if I get back out I will go back on social media and continue to make threats.}}
{{green|Clark: Holy crap...}}
{{red|Daniel: And... right. And that's what the judge said, and you know what? I'm okay doing a little bit of time, you know? I would rather show I'm gonna be good, you know than, create more issues, right?}}
{{green|Clark: Oh yeah, I agree. I mean, you're-}}
{{red|Daniel: Umm...}}
{{green|Clark: You did well with your 27 days, so.}}
{{red|Daniel: Right.}}
[video cuts again]
{{red|Daniel: ...call you.}}
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
{{red|Daniel: OK, I'm gonna get Grace's number, I'm gonna get Tina's. My public defender also said that they were gonna reach out to Grace.}}
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
{{red|Daniel: So they might reach out to you, they might reach out to Grace, but I did tell them that yes, we are engaged, and they're going to try to reach out to her.}}
{{green|Clark: OK. *inhales, sighs*}}
{{red|Daniel: Um, because they've wanted to let her know that like, I'm okay, and you know, they wanted to see what she wants as well.}}
{{green|Clark: So, are the- are the, are the charges like threats against the government or something like those?}}
{{red|Daniel: It's... I guess they're considering- they're calling it interstate threats.}}
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
{{red|Daniel: They're saying that it's threats and interstate threats.}}
{{green|Clark: Geez...}}
{{red|Daniel: They're not calling it like, terrorist threats, they're not saying anything like that. But they are saying, their biggest concern is apparently DDRC, they had to fully evacuate.}}
{{green|Clark: *chuckles in shock* Geez!}}
{{red|Daniel: And they're saying that that was a big concern. So...}
{{green|Clark: Oh, after like, comments you made one time they had to evacuate like the whole building or something?}}
{{red|Daniel: Yup, and they brought in bomb-sniffing dogs.}}
{{green|Clark: *chuckling* Jesus Christ!}}
{{red|Daniel: Because like DDRC gets, took it so-}}
[video cuts, Clark inhales]
{{red|Daniel: Which I mean, proves kind of how stupid they are, you know, because they know me so well that like, they know I'm not gonna do that, but *chuckles* kind of ridiculous as you can see!}}
{{green|Clark: *chuckles* Yeah, like why would they even waste their time? They know who you are!}}
{{red|Daniel: Right. Right. Like, they know who I am, I don't know why they're gonna waste their time and then... and not only that, the FBI is saying things about you, um, and not only you, but now a Discord server that I know you're not even in! *coughs*}}
{{green|Clark: Wh- what were they... Jesus Christ, this is a whole mess now!}}
{{red|Daniel: Yeah, so the feds are just trying to get me, you know, like they're- they're trying to call me crazy when this is like, no, because this is what I did and it hap-}}
[video cuts]
{{green|Clark: I agree! Why would you lie, and- I mean, was it MacDou- MacDougall that, MacDougall that picked you up or was it different secret service?}}
{{red|Daniel: Believe it or not, it was MacDougall, MacDougall and he did actually say that like, in the end, he doesn't really care that I did the threats against him, which yes, is a concern and I shouldn't have done it, you know. But he said in the end, that he cares and still- you know, 'cause if he cared, he wouldn't cut contact. *laughs* It's kind of ridiculous, if you ask me!}}
{{green|Clark: Yeah, it's like, I guess he's trying to do his job, but then he knows you so well, he knows the threats aren't- shouldn't be considered real.}}
{{red|Daniel: Right. He knows, he knows that they're not real threats, and then he knows as well, you know like... his concern as well was like, he asked me to stop the first time and I didn't.}}
{{green|Clark: True.}}
{{red|Daniel: And I guess that is his point. }}
{{green|Clark: And he did ask, he did ask me to stop saying that I was an actual lawyer before, because I was still a law student and he did get mad about that. That was a thing that started the whle thing for me.}}
{{red|Daniel: Well, yeah, and I mean, you first got contact, right? It was under crazy circumstances.}}
{{green|Clark: Yeah.}}
{{red|Daniel: Like, you were lying for safety.}}
{{green|Clark: True.}}
{{red|Daniel: At this point, I feel like people need to announce the truth of what's really going on.}}
{{green|Clark: Oh no- I, I agree. It's all gonna come out anyway in the trail, so.}}
{{red|Daniel: Right, and I mean Tina, cuz I mean Daniel MacDougall- Dougall, also told me about, um... Tina's... um, comment, and said like, "Didn't Tina say don't contact Grace anymore?" and I'm sitting there going like, that's months ago, years ago, and since then, Tina is now understanding of what's going on.}}
{{green|Clark: Geez, so yeah, that Instagram comment from a while ago?}}
{{red|Daniel: But anyways, what I' m gonna do is I'm gonna call you back tomorrow...}}
{{green|Clark: OK.}}
{{red|Daniel: OK, um, we might need to figure out a way to put money on my books. }}
{{green|Clark: OK, can I help with that.}}
[call ends]
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== The Charges ==
=== Details ===
Daniel is facing serious legal charges, including "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive" (18 U.S.C. §844(e)) and 1 count of "Interstate Communication of Threats" (18 U.S.C. §875(c))<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cimzie/joyous_day/#lightbox</ref>. Each "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive" charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in federal prison. Potentially to <ref>https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/844#:~:text=Whoever%20transports%20or%20receives%2C%20or,or%20personal%20property%2C%20shall%20be</ref> "Interstate Communication of Threats" could add an additional 5 years. <ref>[https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/875#:~:text=(c)-,Whoever%20transmits%20in%20interstate%20or%20foreign%20commerce%20any%20communication%20containing,than%20five%20years%2C%20or%20both. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/875#:~:text=(c)-,Whoever%20transmits%20in%20interstate%20or%20foreign%20commerce%20any%20communication%20containing,than%20five%20years%2C%20or%20both.]</ref> Based off of all 7 charges, the maximum jail time that Daniel could face is 65 years in prison. It is difficult to provide an accurate estimate to the fines that Daniel might face. However, it is likely that Daniel will face a significant fine ranging in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.
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Latest revision as of 19:42, 16 November 2024

This article covers Daniel's arrest for on the 30th of April 2024 for his various federal charges. For other uses, see Jail (Disambiguation)

Why the long face?

On April 30, 2024, Daniel was arrested and placed into Jefferson County Detention Facility. At the time of his arrest, the charges against him were undisclosed, with the listed reason being "courtesy housing for another agency." The following day, Daniel was transferred to the Clear Creek County Jail, where his mugshot was soon taken. [1]

Initially, it was believed that Daniel's arrest was related to multiple probation violations, as in the days leading up to his arrest, Daniel defrauded a Buffalo Wild Wings, and admitted to viewing exploitive material of children.[2] However, according to a call made to his manager, Clark, Daniel was arrested for the several terroristic threats he had made over the past year. These claims were later backed by documents which revealed that Daniel had been charged with seven counts of threats, carrying a maximum sentence of 65 years.

This was the fifth time Daniel had been arrested in 2024 alone, with the most recent occurring just 28 days prior to this. Unlike previous arrests, Daniel is ineligible for bond, and given the severity of the charges, there is a possibility he will never be granted bond. After his arrest, Daniel's contact with the outside world has been through sporadic phone correspondence, which suspended for nearly four months until September. He is currently in contact with Clark and Lil Sippy through phone calls, letters and email; he calls Lil Sippy regularly.

At the time, it was believed that Daniel's manager, Clark, had been apprehended by authorities at his job due to his association with Daniel over the previous 10 months. However, it was soon revealed that Clark and members of Daniel's management were investigated by authorities who sought information about threats Daniel had made. Afterward, Clark officially resigned from being Daniel's manager, and admitted to lying about his entire existence to Daniel. This aforementioned call was speculated to have been the last contact Daniel has had with the outside world, but this would soon be proven false, as Clark (and others) continued to communicate with him months later.

This is one of the most significant events in Daniel's life, considering that he is currently at risk of being imprisoned for up to 65 years if found guilty on all charges. Many see this as the final blow, with his plot armor truly breaking. It has also become the most publicized aspect of Daniel's life thus far, as multiple social media accounts and news articles have covered the situation as it unfolded.[3][4] The Second Jail Arc stands as the longest period of Daniel being incarcerated, followed by the November 6th Arrest.

On May 31, Daniel was transferred to Englewood Federal Correctional Institution. He is currently held in a mental health facility for evaluation, and has been institutionalized since July 19 after being found incompetent to stand trial.

As of November 20, 2024, Daniel still remains in custody. He is scheduled to be transferred to a facility in Missouri for evaluation by December.

Background

Warrant for Daniel's arrest.

During the summer of 2023, a Secret Service agent named Daniel MacDougall began investigating Daniel following several terroristic threats he had made, namely one in which he threatened to blow up the White House. This threat in particular came right off of the heels of Daniel having had a destructive meltdown in a Walmart after having his dog taken from him. Following this, Daniel would have multiple meetings with MacDougall, including one notable encounter where he met with MacDougall and an associate of his.[5]

Daniel's last post before his well-deserved arrest.

Despite being repeatedly warned by a legitimate Secret Service agent to cease making threats against people, businesses, and government agencies, Daniel refused, continuing to make threats, even making threats against MacDougall himself.[6] As a result, a case was built against Daniel, which eventually led to his arrest. Law enforcement interrogated both Clark, his then-manager, and members of Daniel's management to verify the threats he had made over the years. These testimonies provided the final pieces of evidence necessary to arrest Daniel.

On April 25th, a warrant was issued for Daniel's arrest. This was thought to be due to Daniel having violated his probation multiple times, even before the issuing of said warrant. This notion was only exacerbated by the fact that only two days after this warrant was issued, he was kicked out of a Pumphouse restaurant by authorities on April 27,[7] defrauded a Buffalo Wild Wings the next day, and on his YouTube community tab, claimed to have viewed explicit material of children.

On the evening of April 29, Daniel became inactive on every one of his social media accounts, with his last post stating that he was on the bus back to Boulder.[8]

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him."

Daniel is well known for making terroristic threats via social media and is speculated to have made over 100 of these threats since 2021. This habit of threat-making appeared to escalate in the weeks preceding his arrest. A prime example of this trend can be seen in the April 6th Meltdown, in which Daniel repeated the phrase "bomb you!" and "kill you!," where he is also seen threatening to vandalize several government buildings. Even more, Daniel threatened to carry out a mass shooting against a hospital after having been kicked out for loitering in January of the same year.

These threats would not serve him well in the long run, as the Colorado Police Department was slowly build a case against him, charging him with seven counts of threats, which carries a maximum sentence of 65 years.

In the indictment calling for Daniel's arrest, each threat Daniel had made that contributed to his arrest was stated, most notably one wherein Daniel threatened to bomb a non-profit organization which was soon discovered to be the Developmental Disabilities Resource Center, or the DDRC. The DDRC is a non-profit organization that helped house Daniel in the past, and while the reason behind this threat is unknown, Daniel's threats led to the building being evacuated and searched by bomb-sniffing dogs.

Additionally, the case included the following Incidents:

The Arrest

Daniel was arrested on the afternoon of April 30 during his probation meeting. He was booked into the Jefferson County Detention Facility, and was ineligible for bail. Before his actual charges were revealed, he was charged with, "courtesy housing for another agency." Daniel was transferred to Clear Creek County Jail the next day.[9][10]

Looks like management Better Call Saul!

Clark's (alleged) arrest, and interactions with Bob


On May 3, Clark, Daniel's former manager, reported in a Discord server that police officers had shown up at his place of work. Almost instantly afterward, Clark went offline. It was at first assumed that he had been arrested due to allegedly being an accomplice to all of Daniel's threats, as well as having alleged contact with the Secret Service agent that got Daniel arrested in the first place. This was later proven to be false.

Text's between Clark and Bob.

Following hours of silence, Clark resurfaced on Discord with concerning messages. He shared that he had been fired from his job for being, "too drunk." Additionally, he was contacted by Bob Proctor, Daniel's mentor, about Daniel allegedly getting into a fight while being held. This was a revelation nobody knew, as it was thought that since the Christmas Day Meltdown, Bob had officially cut ties with Daniel.

After being contacted by bob, Clark stepped down as Daniel's manager. In his final calls to him, he admitted to Daniel that everything he had done up until that point had been fake, and that he would cease contacting him going forward.

Shortly after this call was conducted, a final call between Clark and Daniel was made. In texts to Clark, Bob stated that Daniel wanted to have a man-to-man talk with Clark.[11]

The Charges

Daniel is currently facing serious legal charges. Initially, he was facing six counts of, "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive," and one count of, "Interstate Communication of Threats."[12] Each, "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive," charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in federal prison. The, "Interstate Communication of Threats" charge could add another five years.[13][14] Based off of all seven charges, the maximum jail time that Daniel could face was 65 years in prison. It is difficult to accurately estimate to the fines that Daniel may face as they range quite substantially.

Legal Proceedings and communications

See also: Jail Communications

Daniel's public defender, Jared Westbroek.

First Jail Communication

Shortly after being incarcerated, Daniel had a phone conversation with Clark, his then manager, on May 1. As mentioned in these calls, Daniel was assigned a public defender due to him not having the means to obtain a lawyer. His attorney was soon identified as Jared Scott Westbroek. According to Daniel, his public defender is attempting to argue that Daniel could not have carried out any of his threats as he lacked the resources to do so, therefore he should be released.

Second and Third Communication

On May 6, motivated by the interaction he had with law enforcement at his workplace, Clark called Daniel, revealing that his entire existence was a lie, and everything he had done up to the point was a fallacy. This call is the most serious out of all of them, with Clark referring to it as the "most important call of his life."

On May 9, Clark reluctantly answered a phone call from Daniel after being convinced to do so, despite an earlier decision to cut contact. Daniel reached out in hopes to fix their friendship. Clark remained serious, telling Daniel he has many people to apologize to. This would be the last call Daniel would have for nearly 4 months.

Motion for Daniel's release

On May 10, right before Daniel's court hearing, documents were found that detailed Daniel's public defender, Jared Scott Westbroek, introducing a motion for Daniel's immediate release. However, this motion, along with one filed the day before were both denied by the judge.[15][16]

These documents requested that Daniel be outfitted with an ankle tracker and placed under mandatory mental health treatment if released. This document also mentions placing Daniel into a halfway house, where he would presumably stay if he were to come out of jail, which has not happened yet.

As of June 29, this motion has been left unresolved.

May 10 court appearance

"Nothing was accomplished."
TLDR; He's not getting out.

Daniel appeared in court for an arraignment on May 10, 2024, and pleaded not guilty to all charges. Due to his not guilty plea, Daniel was not released from jail. Daniel was given a new trial date, set to July 15, which was stated in the Order of Detention following the trial. According to Bob, Daniel stated that, "nothing was accomplished" following the hearing's conclusion.

In texts to Clark, Bob tells him that he would be held until a mental health evaluation was conducted (which Daniel will most definitely fail). Additionally, Bob states that Daniel says the the "appearance got leaked," although it is unclear as to what Daniel meant by this.

Order of detention

After the court hearing, the judge, Norman Reid Neureiter, issued an order of detention. This confirmed that Daniel would, in fact, remain in jail after pleading not guilty, as well as the judge demanding that Daniel complete a mandatory mental health evaluation. This order of detention also touches upon Daniel's request to be released.

May 23 Mental Health Evaluation Docket

A docket from May 23 ordered Daniel undergo a mental health evaluation. His July 10th and 15th court dates were canceled, and he was sent to undergo an evaluation at a mental health facility.[17]

May 27 Docket Report

On May 27, a docket report was issued that detailed all of what had happened up to that point during Daniel's incarceration.

May 31 Transfer

Details of his transfer.

On May 31, Daniel was transferred to Englewood Federal Correctional Institution, which, coincidentally, is the same facility where sex offender and documented pedophile Jared Fogle is being held.

July 19 Competency Report

A psychiatric report for Daniel filed on July 19, 2024. In this report, it is revealed that Daniel was deemed incompetent for trial, and would be institutionalized in an unknown mental health facility in hopes of being evaluated where he is currently in custody. The court hearing scheduled for September 23, 2024 was canceled. On July 26, an order was issued for Daniel to be institutionalized for no longer than four months. He was also deemed "sexually dangerous" in the order.

Daniel will be re-evaluated around the end of November 2024.[18]

September 7 Clark Communication

On September 7, 2024, Clark called Daniel for the first time in nearly 4 months. Daniel seems to have forgotten nearly everything they had spoken about in their last call, as he speaks about his delusion of being in contact with the Vanderwaal family. More importantly, Daniel divulges details of his current legal situation, most notably that he was going to be transferred to a psychiatric facility in a different state sometime in the near future, and that he had been in protective custody for up to 2 months at that point.

September 25 Report & Transfer Request

A report was filed on September 25, with Daniel's attorney demanding that he be transferred to a psychiatric facility within a week and that the court receive his evaluation by November 25, with the case to be dismissed if neither happened.[19] Daniel's attorney believes that he has been in jail for longer than he should be and the reason is because the mental health facilities do not have any beds available. [20]

On October 3, 2024, the court responded to this request, stating that his four-month evaluation period will begin in December. [21] He will also be moved to Springfield Missouri that month, and will be re-evaluated in April 2025. [22] However, staff in Daniel's jail said that he will not be transferred anytime soon, as he is not even on the list and there are no beds available. If he is not transferred to Springfield by December 31, 2024, the case will be dismissed which will result in Daniel being released. [23]

Canceled & Future Hearings

Daniel had a competency hearing scheduled for September 23, 2024, but it was ordered to be vacated, and he was to be reevaluated sometime at the end of November. [18] [24] [25] However, this re-evaluation seems unlikely.

Lil Sippy Jail Communications

In additional correspondence from jail to Lil Sippy, another convicted criminal Daniel had acquainted himself with, Daniel provided updates on his current situation and experiences. Daniel would continue to double down his delusions, threaten to sue the US Government, talk about how he thought Bob was ruining his life, asking Lil Sippy sexual questions over mail, and demanding his release from jail. Additionally, Daniel admits that he had not spoken to his lawyer since early August 2024.

External Links

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References

  1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cirs5b/the_federal_mugshot/
  2. File:Daniels Admission.png
  3. https://www.dexerto.com/tiktok/tiktoker-daniel-larson-to-remain-in-jail-due-to-mental-illness-2722839/
  4. https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/daniel-larson-facing-federal-charges-and-arrest-for-bomb-threats-to-white-house-fact-checking-viral-claim-article-109829139
  5. https://archive.org/details/p1Kq9L756V8
  6. April 6th Meltdown
  7. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cgq1rg/footage_of_the_pumphouse_incident/
  8. https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxsS17QYOV0UL9Eka2f4uORLmzDC1YXhJQ
  9. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cirs5b/the_federal_mugshot/
  10. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1chlrey/hes_free/
  11. File:BobClarkText3.png
  12. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1cimzie/joyous_day/#lightbox
  13. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/844#:~:text=Whoever%20transports%20or%20receives%2C%20or,or%20personal%20property%2C%20shall%20be
  14. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/875#:~:text=(c)-,Whoever%20transmits%20in%20interstate%20or%20foreign%20commerce%20any%20communication%20containing,than%20five%20years%2C%20or%20both.
  15. https://www.dailycamera.com/2024/05/15/man-arrested-for-reportedly-threatening-to-use-explosives-on-the-white-house-and-fbi-headquarters/
  16. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68494815/15/united-states-v-larson/
  17. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1e0ermn/his_court_dates_were_canceled/#lightbox
  18. 18.0 18.1 https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1flnstm/court_update/
  19. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fpvbx0/pacer_update_daniels_attorney_is_making_demands/#lightbox
  20. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fpylr0/the_most_recent_update_on_his_case_from_pacer/
  21. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fvn22q/court_update_10324/
  22. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1fy96ar/when_the_beast_is_released_what_will_wehe_do/
  23. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gfrzu3/1030_sippy_cup_live_wmr_president_call/
  24. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1e55plg/update_competency_hearing_set_for_9232024/
  25. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1e52a09/only_3_counts_of_7_now/