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Grace VanderWaal
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Name: Grace Avery VanderWaal
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Alignment: Obsession of Daniel
DOB: January 15, 2004
Gender: Female
Race: White
Nationality: American
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Parents: Tina VanderWaal (Mother), Dave VanderWaal (Father)
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Grace Avery VanderWaal (born January 15, 2004) is an American singer, songwriter, and actress[1] who Daniel Larson has an obsession with since he was roughly 17. Daniel's obsession with Grace began when he saw her perform on America's Got Talent while watching the show with his grandmother, Nancy Shimer.

Ever since, Daniel has had an unhealthy obsession, despite Grace being underage for the majority of it. Ever since his infatuation with her started, he has convinced himself that he is a part of her life. This imagined 'relationship' progressed rapidly due to Daniel's delusions, which were encouraged more and more by managers, trolls, and those pretending to be Grace.

Over time, Daniel's posts regarding her on his numerous social media accounts became increasingly explicit. In many of these posts, Daniel would talk in graphic detail about his sexual fantasies regarding Grace, describing the various inappropriate acts that he would like to do with her. And when talking to trolls pretending to be Grace, Daniel has always referred to Grace using pictures from her childhood.

Grace (and to a lesser extent, her family) is often impersonated by trolls, who use her identity to gain Daniel's trust. On multiple occasions, Daniel has made a fool of himself by talking to these trolls about disturbing, and often sexual, subjects. Despite having been fooled by dozens, if not hundreds of people pretending to be Grace, he continues to fall for many of these tricks to this day.

On the 17th of April, 2024, Grace publicly acknowledged Daniel with a comment on her TikTok, @gracevanderpeepee, calling him a pedophile who has haunted her life.[2] Additionally, Grace has filtered out any mention of Daniel's name from her comment sections, providing additional weight to the notion that she is aware of him and detests him. Even more, messages with her mother states that Grace she and her family want nothing to do with him.

Despite being told off by Tina VanderWaal, along with thousands of people online, and even Grace herself, Daniel still deludes himself into thinking he is truly dating Grace. Most recently in the Second Jail Arc, during a call in September 2024, Daniel mentions having a wedding with her, and believes that her father Dave actually cares about him.

Origins

Daniel has had an obsession with Grace Vanderwaal ever since Grace performed on America's Got Talent in 2016. According to Daniel, a common passtime of him and his grandmother was to watch America's Got Talent. While of questionable validity, his grandmother is documented to have said that Daniel may sing with Grace on stage one day. Ever since then, Daniel was of the belief that were in a romantic relationship, despite him being 17, and Grace being 11.

Daniel would mention Grace a few times in 2020, in one instance in November, he claimed that he would be collaborating with Grace on a Zoom meeting, which he was likely told by management at the time.

Beginning on May 12, 2021, Daniel claimed that he and Grace had some sort of collaboration in the works that would be coming out soon. In a later post to TikTok, Daniel claimed that he and Grace had begun dating. Things escalated quickly from there. Daniel recorded himself on several occasions telling strangers on the streets that he was dating Grace. More disturbingly, Daniel recorded multiple videos of himself moaning and whispering in a sensual manner for Grace's viewing pleasure, and even worse, recorded himself having an orgasm (NSFW!) [3] while whispering her name.[4] In stark contrast to his lustful posts regarding Grace, Daniel has also posted hysterical videos about her 'breaking up' with him, calling her a bitch and various other expletives.[5] Although Daniel made several apologies for the multiple sexually charged videos he made about her, he continues with this disturbing behavior. Regardless of malicious trolls tricking and persuading him into thinking that he was dating Grace, and ultimately engendering his delusions of being with her, Daniel went above and beyond to show his unbridled obsession with her.

Daniel mogs Grace with his Greek God-esque Jawline.

Daniel, well aware that Grace was under 18, made various posts claiming that he would, "...wait until Grace is 18." Daniel has claimed to be in either a romantic or sexual relationship with Grace depending on his delusions at the time. If romantic, he claims that Grace is his girlfriend. If sexual, he explains the various explicit sexual acts he would like to do to her.

Daniel still tries to claim that he does not like Grace for sexual reasons, rather that he "...wants to have a chance" with her.[6] Everything Daniel says about Grace should be taken with a huge grain of salt as he has a tendency to internalize his delusions.


  • Daniel denying his pedophilic attraction to Grace.

    Daniel denying his pedophilic attraction to Grace.

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Daniel holds Grace in particularly high regard. Grace is oftentimes the primary victim of Daniel's delusional harassment like other figures, most notably Bob Proctor. Posts made by Grace on TikTok or Instagram would be filled to the brim with comments from Daniel, as if he were having a conversation with her in real time. Daniel would mention Grace in TikTok videos and tag her, which resulted in her notifications filling up with nothing but Daniel. He did this on almost every TikTok account he has, to the point where one of Daniel's TikTok accounts was suspended for his constant harassment towards her. Grace had filtered out "Daniel Larson", "Mr. President" and "Danderson" from her TikTok comments shortly after. [7]

As of 2024, Daniel shows no signs of stopping his obsession with her. He is still constantly falling for trolls' claims about Grace, along with agreeing with the orders of people who pretend to be Grace, who get him to do egregious and disturbing things, which cause the production of NSFW videos like the Pencil Incident. He even talks about her on the phone with Clark during the Jail Arc, in hopes of her bailing him out. Even though his Graceposting has eased up, it has never truly died down or stopped. Daniel's current head-canon is that he and Grace are periodically breaking up and getting back together, or getting an apartment, with no inbetween. He still thinks about Grace while incarcerated for federal crimes.

Although these delusions do appear to be what Daniel is genuinely thinking, Flexburger has said in the past during a AMA that Daniel does not truly believe that he is dating Grace. Instead, it is said he wants to believe it, and likes having someone to sext and talk to.

Delusions


The Likee Meltdown

Main Article: Likee Meltdown

During one delusion, Daniel, seemingly because he was without access to his phone, posted on Likee, a short video creating site that he used during a time he was banned from TikTok, in despair and asking for his followers to get him information from the 'VanderWaal Team'.

Based on the content of these videos, it he believed that there had been some kind of accident, and that the VanderWaal family, (who he believed were in contact with him up until this point), were refusing to give him information about something that supposedly happened to Grace. Throughout the video, Daniel hits himself and threatens to end his own life.

Daniel obviously did not follow through with his threats, as when this incident subsided, he was perfectly fine. Daniel said that if he did not get into contact with the VanderWaal family immediately, he would allegedly be on the streets. This, although small, was a sign of things to come.

Afterwards, Daniel uploaded a video to YouTube mourning the supposed deaths of Grace's father, Dave, and Grace herself. In this video, Daniel believed that Grace had simultaneously committed suicide and suffered a heart attack. Before Daniel addressed their deaths, he began to cry, hysterically apologizing for sexting minors and sending Grace (or whoever he thought was Grace) pictures of his genitals. He promised to repent for the bad choices he had made and honor her legacy.[8]

After this live-stream, Daniel posted to his TikTok admitting that Grace was one of the minors he had supposedly sexted. Daniel admitted, "I have sexted minors, 13 years old, well I'm gonna be honest, 12 years old".[9] The video ends with Daniel saying that he planned to move on by not doing things such as this anymore and putting in the work to become a better person for her, especially after Grace's 'death.'

It may seem as though the true and honest death of Grace brought about a repentant moment in this particular arc. However, the moment faded quickly as Daniel soon discovered that Grace had not died, and thus resumed his regular obsessive posting about her (and sexting "her" in private DMs).

Tyrone

"Tyrone just shot Grace VanderWaal in the abdomen and shoulder"
Daniel, alluding to the hospital Grace was apparently staying at, was being shot up.

During the July 24th freak-out, Daniel believed that Grace was being attacked by an individual named "Tyrone", an African-American man who was setting out to kill her, claiming he had "...just shot Grace VanderWaal in the abdomen and shoulder". Following this, Daniel's community tab was filled with paranoia, as he believed Grace had simultaneously died, and was still alive in the hospital while Tyrone sought to kill her.

During one bout of delusion, Daniel believed that Tyrone was shooting up the hospital Grace was staying at, and it got to the point where there was a "standoff".[10] These posts were probably fuelled by trolls inflaming his paranoia.[11]

Daniel's (Failed) Trek from Colorado to New York

While in contact with Daniel, another account claiming to be Grace told him that she had just had sex with another man. Daniel, fueled by his delusions, rage, and obsession with Grace, decided to hike from Colorado to New York in an attempt to win her back, rambling on TikTok during the night while on his hike.[12] [13] [14]

In these TikToks, Daniel claimed that he had, "...officially fucked up," with Grace to the point that she had broken up with him. In a rare moment of clarity, Daniel said that Grace was her own person and that she could date whoever she wanted to. Daniel’s reason for going to New York was to win back Grace’s love from whomever she was apparently having sex with. He tried to guilt trip her in these videos by saying that he had a, "...[h]eart disease from heartbreak," and details about how hard his childhood was.

As the stream goes on, Daniel stays up through the entire night, to the point where you can see the sun rising in the video, determined to get to Grace. He continues to make wild claims during this walk, along with some karaoke. This walk ended with Daniel returning to Denver as he either got tired from walking or learned that the Grace he had been speaking with was a troll.

Grace "pregnant" with Jacob's baby.[15]

The Grace and Jacob Sartorius Love Affair

Main Article: Jacob Sartorius#Delusions

On July 24th, 2023, Daniel became convinced that Grace, who he had beleived was dating him up until this point, had broken up with him as things were, "..moving too slow", and had soon gotten together with American social media personality and singer, Jacob Sartorius.[16] Daniel would soon believe that Jacob had impregnated Grace, and ordered her assassination by "Tyrone", all at the same time. Daniel's story regarding Jacob rapidly changed, at one point claiming that Jacob was harassing him, and then Grace.

This eventually culminated into Daniel throwing his dinner into a river because of his anger at Grace dating Jacob instead of him.

Contact

Grace's mom responding to what is most likely thousands of messages from Daniel

While Grace is aware of Daniel's existence, she has rarely publicly acknowledged him, despite hundreds of comments and posts by Daniel and his trolls. It is extremely plausible that Grace simply does not want to give any of these people attention, mainly Daniel, as he feeds off of it. Some believe that Grace has stopped posting to her initial TikTok account due to Daniel (along with followers of his) harassing her via the comment section, although this is unconfirmed.

Jakob VanderWaal

Daniel's obsession caused Grace's brother, Jakob, to message him in December 2021. He confronted him, telling him to leave her and their family alone, and were considering putting a restraining order against him with the threat of building a criminal case. Daniel's reaction to his was strong, as he went to the hospital and at one point, had a meltdown and violently hit his head in response. [17]

Tina VanderWaal

Daniel's obsession eventually caused Tina VanderWaal, Grace's mother, to message him on July 25, 2022.

Tina, through Instagram, demanded that Daniel stop making contact with her family, especially her daughter, calling out his mental illness and delusions. Tina then claimed to be in contact with the police, and if Daniel refused to stop making videos and posts about Grace, she would take unspecified legal action and get Daniel arrested.

Daniel responded to her messages by stating that he understands, and, more importantly, will be commiting suicide that night. He, of course, does not; and most likely threatened suicide to guilt-trip her or gain attention.


Despite this, Tina has not followed suit with her threats. According to a message exchange with a member of the Daniel Larson subreddit, Tina had reached out to the Denver police, however, they were unable to do anything as (at least at the time) Daniel had not made any threats against Grace.[18]

Even so, this interaction with Grace's mother was the focus of multiple videos and community posts for some time after. Daniel posted multiple videos crying and/or apologizing to the VanderWaal family, continuously addressing the 'allegations' against him. However, Daniel fluctuated between admitting to his misdeeds to pretending that they had never happened at all, and were all unsubstantiated just rumors.[citation needed]

Following her messages, Tina made a comment on one of Daniel's live-streams, begging him to stop his obsessive posting.


Upon receiving this message, Daniel kept on pressing Tina with responses, asking her questions, to which Tina responded with:


Daniel responded to these posts by asking even more for forgiveness, claiming things got, "...fucked up," because of his "...past friendships," and that he is misunderstood. He has not received a response.

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On March 26 2023, Tina would message Daniel once again on YouTube, on a short called "the vanderwaal's told me that I am safe from all legal trouble if I stay in contact with them." Tina denied this and responded, warning Daniel he was close to being arrested. [19]


Daniel responded 10 times, begging her for a second chance, and crying. Tina ignored these messages. However, the next day, Tina would post on Daniel's community tab on a post with his Cash App. Tina warned his followers that they were participating in committing a crime. [20]


Daniel would respond, idiotically "siding" with Tina and ignoring the severity of the situation. He would also continue to make similar posts. As of 2024, that was the last message that Tina has verifiably sent to Daniel about Grace.

Grace Rape Troll

Messages the troll sent to Daniel.

Sometime in late 2021, Daniel texted a number who claimed to be Grace Vanderwaal; the person behind this number has yet to be identified.

In these texts, "Grace" claimed that she was, oddly enough, at the White House, getting sexually assaulted by her father along with being impregnated by multiple other people. Daniel believed this to be genuine, responding by attempting to convince "Grace" to move out to Denver so that she could press charges on her father and live with Daniel.

The messages started off with Daniel genuinely caring for "Grace's" wellbeing, asking what he can do to help, to Daniel proceeding to ask "Grace" what it felt like to be raped, and what she thought about during it, absolutely desperate to imagine Grace performing intercourse. He claimed to have asked these questions in order to use the information gathered by them in court, although this is obviously unlikely as nothing happened following this.

Whenever this fake Grace would talk about allegedly getting raped, they said that it was being recorded and uploaded to some type of social media or pornographic website. Daniel wanted to know where he could find this footage. After this, Daniel went on to make multiple videos claiming that he had called the police to deal with this matter. Considering his past behavior, and history of wasting emergency services, he likely did actually call the authorities.[21]

AI Prank

On June 16, 2023, Reddit user u/TMZ_news posted a video of Grace VanderWaal's Instagram account, editing the image, so her most recent post was a video addressing Daniel.[22] The video in question being made using AI.

In the video, 'Grace' urges Daniel to leave her and her family alone, reinforcing the fact that Daniel had never been in contact with any of the members of the VanderWaal family. u/TMZ_news went on to post screenshots of messages between him and Tina VanderWaal, where Tina claims the video was taken down due to Grace's "lawyer" advising them to do so, although these messages are mostly likely fake.[23]

Daniel addressed the video on the community section of his YouTube page. His panicked reactions made it apparent that he did not see through the fake posts, and had fallen for the elaborate prank. [citation needed]

Messages with u/TMZ_News

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While Daniel himself has not had contact with Grace, on June 21, 2023, u/TMZ_News reached out to Grace to ask if she knew who Daniel was and if she had ever been in contact with him.[24] Grace tells them that they she has never been in contact with Daniel and never plans to be in contact with him, emphatically stating her hatred for him and desire for him to keep her name out his mouth.

They reply to Grace with their condolences for both her and her family, offering to stop messaging Grace about Daniel.


This was the last message Grace sent before their exchange ended.

There is a very high chance that even if Daniel sees these messages, he will not change. Because of Daniel's delusions, he will likely go on thinking that Grace loves him and that everyone else is a liar. This response, if authentic, would only inspire Daniel to keep trying as his efforts have proven successful in making her aware of him.

However, these messages have a high chance of being fake. This same user had already faked posts from Grace's Instagram in order to trick Daniel, thus any other media coming from U/TMZ_news should be taken with a grain of salt. Until more evidence comes out, it is safe to assume that the exchange pictured above is faked.

TikTok Comment (Official Acknowledgement)

On April 17, 2024, it was revealed that Grace is, in fact, aware of Daniel. [25] On a post of her TikTok account, a user commented,

Grace had comment filtered "Daniel Larson" on her posts on TikTok due to the harassment. She replied,


Daniel, in response to Grace's comment.

The commenter then deleted his original comment after Grace had replied, taking issue with Grace mentioning his band, though he provided a screen recording of the comment.

This finally confirms that Grace is indeed aware of Daniel, and clearly does not want anything to do with him, mentioning that he has haunted her. Given the amount of weens who have likely bothered Grace's comment section with mentions of Daniel, this is not very surprising. Daniel saw the comment, confirming this on his Community Tab [26], but he continues to have delusions about her thinking she loves him, when in reality she does not. In addition, it is possible Daniel even thought the comment was made by a troll.

References

  1. ↑ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_VanderWaal
  2. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1c6ut1b/the_real_grace_called_daniel_a_pdo/?sort=new
  3. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/zcrw51/someone_sent_me_this/
  4. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/13kpc3t/this_message_is_for_grace_uhhhhh_ohhhh_mmmmm_oh/
  5. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/11pt54u/you_are_a_fucking_bitch_grace
  6. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/123yv4y/daniel_denies_pedophilia/
  7. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEyEUscOr6A&feature=youtu.be
  8. ↑ https://archive.org/details/daniel-larson-mourning-grace-and-dace-vanderwaal
  9. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14fgywu/13_years_old_well_im_gonna_be_honest_12_years_old/
  10. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15e3dul/this_is_actually_very_entertaining/
  11. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15exd9u/photos_of_tyrone_graces_attacker_have_been_leaked/
  12. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14a8u2n/an_old_underrated_moment_imo_after_a_fake_grace/
  13. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14ab7s3/continuation_from_my_previous_post_daniel_keeps/
  14. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14adymh/the_not_so_thrilling_conclusion_to_daniels_big/
  15. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/15t743z/jacob_sartorius_got_grace_pregnant/
  16. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZZNwQ2ldycA
  17. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/uby3wb/comment/i69h1by/?context=3&share_id=iNjjLtleVCZQ_tmCa8FbK&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
  18. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/11f5ymh/tina_is_not_that_hard_to_get_ahold_of/
  19. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9trlCmh5TCU
  20. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7P9y_V5Gm7wZJgDGt4zh6Q/community?lb=UgkxArnK9ibIcus0BlgS-lvLwyzpnUjVRcPz
  21. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/qfbeco/daniel_called_the_cops_on_the_white_house_theres/
  22. ↑ https://archive.org/details/why-did-grace-just-post-this-on-instagram-14b-9wfr
  23. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14bh8tr/the_vanderwaal_team_explained_graces_post_she/
  24. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14esr38/my_conversation_with_grace/
  25. ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1c6vhdt/screen_recording_of_real_grace_account_calling/
  26. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQD2h4-5DteNbgocGSjL7tw/community?lb=UgkxMQ2PXdR0vZry_MLEFxBs63rrcW3KX3Rk
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