Second Jail Arc

This article covers Daniel's arrest for on the 30th of April 2024 for his various federal charges. For other uses, see Jail (Disambiguation)

“ I'm on the bus now to Boulder Colorado ” — Daniel's last Community Tab post before being arrested

There are no thoughts behind those eyes.

On April 30, 2024, Daniel was arrested and placed into Jefferson County Detention Facility. At the time of his arrest, the charges against him were unknown, with the listed reason being "courtesy housing for another agency." The following day, Daniel was transferred to the Clear Creek County Jail, where his mugshot was soon taken.

Initially, it was believed that Daniel's arrest was due to multiple probation violations, as in the days leading up to his arrest, Daniel defrauded a Buffalo Wild Wings, and admitted to viewing exploitive material of children. However, according to a call made to his manager, Clark, Daniel was arrested for the several terroristic threats he had made over the past year. These claims were later backed by documents which revealed that Daniel had been charged with seven counts of threats, which carried a maximum sentence of 65 years.

This was the fifth time Daniel had been arrested in 2024 alone, the most recent of which had occurred just 28 days prior to this. Unlike previous arrests, Daniel is now ineligible for bond, and due to the severity of the charges, there is a possibility he will never be granted bond. Since his arrest, Daniel's only contact with the outside world has been through sporadic phone correspondence, though this appears to have ceased permanently.

His manager, Clark, was thought to have been apprehended by authorities at his job due to his association with Daniel over the previous 10 months. It was soon revealed that Clark, as well as other members of Daniel's management, were investigated by authorities, who asked for information regarding the threats that Daniel had made. Afterward, Clark officially resigned from being Daniel's manager, and admitted to lying about his entire existence to Daniel. This aforementioned call was speculated to have been the last contact Daniel has had with the outside world, but this would soon be proven false.

This is one of the most significant events in Daniel's life, considering that he is currently at risk of being imprisoned for up to 65 years if found guilty on all charges. Many see this as being the final nail in the coffin, with his plot armor truly breaking. This has been the most publicized aspect of Daniel's life thus far, as multiple social media accounts and news articles have covered the situation as it unfolded. The Second Jail Arc stands as the longest period of Daniel being incarcerated, followed by the November 6th Arrest.

On May 31, Daniel was transferred to Englewood Federal Correctional Institution. He is currently held in a mental health facility for evaluation, and has been institutionalized since July 19 after being found incompetent to stand trial.

As of November 25, 2024, Daniel still remains in custody. He is to be transferred to a facility in Missouri for evaluation by December.

Background

Warrant for Daniel's arrest.

During the summer of 2023, a Secret Service agent named Daniel MacDougall began investigating Daniel following several terroristic threats he had made, namely one in which he threatened to blow up the White House. This threat in particular came right off of the heels of Daniel having had a destructive meltdown in a Walmart after having his dog taken from him. Following this, Daniel would have multiple meetings with MacDougall, including one notable encounter where he met with MacDougall and an associate of his.

Despite being repeatedly warned by a legitimate Secret Service agent to cease making threats against people, businesses, and government agencies, Daniel refused, continuing to make threats, even making threats against MacDougall himself. As a result, a case was built against Daniel, which eventually led to his arrest. Law enforcement interrogated both Clark, his then-manager, and members of Daniel's management to verify the threats he had made over the years. These testimonies provided the final pieces of evidence necessary to arrest Daniel.

Daniel's last post before his well-deserved arrest.

On April 25th, a warrant was issued for Daniel's arrest. This was thought to be due to Daniel having violated his probation multiple times, even before the issuing of said warrant. This notion was only exacerbated by the fact that only two days after this warrant was issued, he was kicked out of a Pumphouse restaurant by authorities on April 27, defruaded a Buffalo Wild Wings the next day, and on his YouTube community tab, claimed to have viewed explicit material of children.

On the evening of April 29, Daniel became inactive on every one of his social media accounts, with his last post stating that he was on the bus back to Boulder.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him."

Daniel is well known for making terroristic threats via social media and is speculated to have made over 100 of these threats since 2021. This habit of threat-making appeared to escalate in the weeks preceding his arrest. A prime example of this trend can be seen in the April 6th Meltdown, in which Daniel repeated the phrase "bomb you!" and "kill you!," where he is also seen threatening to vandalize several government buildings. Even more, Daniel threatened to carry out a mass shooting against a hospital after having been kicked out for loitering in January of the same year.

These threats would not serve him well in the long run, as the Colorado Police Department was slowly build a case against him, charging him with seven counts of threats, which carries a maximum sentence of 65 years. In the indictment calling for Daniel's arrest, each threat Daniel had made that contributed to his arrest was stated, most notably one wherein Daniel threatened to bomb a non-profit organization which was soon discovered to be the Developmental Disabilities Resource Center, or the DDRC. The DDRC is a non-profit organization that helped Daniel attain housing in the past, and while the reason behind this threat is unknown, Daniel's threats led to the building being evacuated and searched by bomb-sniffing dogs.

The Arrest

Daniel was arrested on the afternoon of April 30 during his probation meeting. He was booked into the Jefferson County Detention Facility, and was ineligible for bail. Before his actual charges were revealed, he was charged with, "courtesy housing for another agency." Daniel was transferred to Clear Creek County Jail the next day.

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Clark's (alleged) arrest, and interactions with Bob

On May 3, Clark, Daniel's former manager, reported in a Discord server that police officers had shown up at his place of work. Almost instantly afterward, Clark went offline. It was at first assumed that he had been arrested due to allegedly being an accomplice to all of Daniel's threats, as well as having alleged contact with the Secret Service agent that got Daniel arrested in the first place. This was later proven to be false, as it was revealed that Clark had not been arrested.

Text's between Clark and Bob.

Following hours of silence, Clark resurfaced on Discord with concerning messages. He shared that he had been fired from his job for being, "too drunk." Additionally, he was contacted by Bob Proctor, Daniel's mentor, about Daniel allegedly getting into a fight while being held. This was a revelation nobody knew, as it was thought that since the Christmas Day Meltdown, Bob had officially cut ties with Daniel.

After being contacted by bob, Clark stepped down as Daniel's manager. In his final calls to him, he admitted to Daniel that everything he had done up until that point had been fake, and that he would cease contacting him going forward.

Shortly after this call was conducted, a final call between Clark and Daniel was made. In texts to Clark, Bob stated that Daniel wanted to have a man-to-man talk with Clark.

Time In Jail

First Phone Call

On May 2, Flexburger uploaded a call between Clark and Daniel, though it is likely that the call took place sometime on May 1, evidenced by previously leaked audio.

Daniel starts off the call by stating that the police are looking into Bob's financial situation, as they are under the suspicion Bob is committing fraud. Daniel then informs Clark that he has Federal court on Monday, May 5th, and has acquired a public defender. He then drops the bombshell that he has been charged with 7 counts of threats, and is now deemed a flight risk. Even more, the DDRC, a service for people with developmental disabilities that had served Daniel in the past, had to have its building evacuated because of bomb threats he had made.

It was revealed that the FBI was made aware of the threats he made during the July 3rd Community Tab Incident, August 29th Meltdown, Christmas Day Meltdown, and March 23rd Meltdown.

Full call between Clark and Daniel.

Transcript

Automated voice: ...call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1. To disconnect... *Clark presses 1* Automated voice: Thank you for using [REDACTED]. You may start the conversation now. Daniel: Hello? Clark: Dan? Jesus Christ, Daniel! Daniel: Hey, can you hear me? Clark: Yeah, I can hear you. How are you bud? Daniel: Oh my God, um... I'm doing okay. *Clark stutters* Daniel: Um, the feds pretty much got me. Clark: The feds got you? Daniel: Like... yeah. This time the feds got me, and Bob told me that it wasn't going to happen and he didn't believe me. And, I went to probation yesterday and sure enough, the feds were there and they charged me with seven counts of, um, threats- from threats that I made. Clark: Seven counts of threats?! Daniel: Yup, under- under federal court. Clark: Holy shit! Daniel: Yeah. Clark: So this... shit! Uh... Daniel: And... and not only that, the feds apparently are looking into Bob for his finances and the feds are also, on top of that, now looking into my bank statements to see the real amount he was giving me. Clark: So they think Bob was also committing fraud as well? Daniel: They think that he's committing fraud. Clark: Shit! Holy sh- [video cuts] Daniel: ...money through his bank account or is he giving you cash and you're putting it into your bank, and I said both. Clark: Shit! And why, why did they take you up to [REDACTED]? Are you in [REDACTED] or [REDACTED]? Daniel: I am in flippin' [REDACTED] of all places. Clark: What the hell? Yeah I- because I missed your call last night because I didn't have my, uh, debit card or my credit card with me and I was like, alright, I'll just have to wait till tomorrow. Everyone said that... Daniel: Right. Don't worry. Don't worry about that. It's okay. Clark: OK. Daniel: Um, I did also talk to the public defender. Um, I have court on Monday. Clark: OK. Daniel: OK, and it IS federal court... Clark: *gasps, whispers* Fuck... Daniel: ...they were saying that I was a flight risk and all the garbage that they're gonna say, but, it's okay. Clark: Yeah. Daniel: But they're looking at trying to put me in, um, like, basically higher security housing. Clark: Geez! Daniel: So, it would basically be basic housing, you know, just like *unintelligible*. [video cuts] Daniel: Um, they're saying that yes, I would be facing prison time if convicted but my public defender was saying that with me being homeless five years and being out in the cold, whether to point till I feel like I'm gonna die, and I'm panicking. When I panic, I say things that I don't mean- Clark: True. Daniel: ...and I didn't mean the threats, I don't know how to make explosive stuff like that, they said that, well, you know, that is true, you know that is- I DEF shouldn't have said. So... Clark: Wow, that is- that is, that's perfect to say. I would listen to your public defender because he's 100% right. There's no way you could actually make a bomb or do anything that you said. Daniel: Right, and I don't have a violent history, like, anything like that. Clark: Exactly. Daniel: My- the main concern the judge said is that it's one step away from doing so, and that's their concern if I get back out. And they're also concerned that if I get back out I will go back on social media and continue to make threats. Clark: Holy crap... Daniel: And... right. And that's what the judge said, and you know what? I'm okay doing a little bit of time, you know? I would rather show I'm gonna be good, you know than, create more issues, right? Clark: Oh yeah, I agree. I mean, you're- Daniel: Umm... Clark: You did well with your 27 days, so. Daniel: Right. [video cuts again] Daniel: ...call you. Clark: OK. Daniel: OK, I'm gonna get Grace's number, I'm gonna get Tina's. My public defender also said that they were gonna reach out to Grace. Clark: OK. Daniel: So they might reach out to you, they might reach out to Grace, but I did tell them that yes, we are engaged, and they're going to try to reach out to her. Clark: OK. *inhales, sighs* Daniel: Um, because they've wanted to let her know that like, I'm okay, and you know, they wanted to see what she wants as well. Clark: So, are the- are the, are the charges like threats against the government or something like those? Daniel: It's... I guess they're considering- they're calling it interstate threats. Clark: OK. Daniel: They're saying that it's threats and interstate threats. Clark: Geez... Daniel: They're not calling it like, terrorist threats, they're not saying anything like that. But they are saying, their biggest concern is apparently DDRC, they had to fully evacuate. Clark: *chuckles in shock* Geez! Daniel: And they're saying that that was a big concern. So... Clark: Oh, after like, comments you made one time they had to evacuate like the whole building or something? Daniel: Yup, and they brought in bomb-sniffing dogs. Clark: *chuckling* Jesus Christ! Daniel: Because like DDRC gets, took it so- [video cuts, Clark inhales] Daniel: Which I mean, proves kind of how stupid they are, you know, because they know me so well that like, they know I'm not gonna do that, but *chuckles* kind of ridiculous as you can see! Clark: *chuckles* Yeah, like why would they even waste their time? They know who you are! Daniel: Right. Right. Like, they know who I am, I don't know why they're gonna waste their time and then... and not only that, the FBI is saying things about you, um, and not only you, but now a Discord server that I know you're not even in! *coughs* Clark: Wh- what were they... Jesus Christ, this is a whole mess now! Daniel: Yeah, so the feds are just trying to get me, you know, like they're- they're trying to call me crazy when this is like, no, because this is what I did and it hap- [video cuts] Clark: I agree! Why would you lie, and- I mean, was it MacDou- MacDougall that, MacDougall that picked you up or was it different secret service? Daniel: Believe it or not, it was MacDougall, MacDougall and he did actually say that like, in the end, he doesn't really care that I did the threats against him, which yes, is a concern and I shouldn't have done it, you know. But he said in the end, that he cares and still- you know, 'cause if he cared, he wouldn't cut contact. *laughs* It's kind of ridiculous, if you ask me! Clark: Yeah, it's like, I guess he's trying to do his job, but then he knows you so well, he knows the threats aren't- shouldn't be considered real. Daniel: Right. He knows, he knows that they're not real threats, and then he knows as well, you know like... his concern as well was like, he asked me to stop the first time and I didn't. Clark: True. Daniel: And I guess that is his point. Clark: And he did ask, he did ask me to stop saying that I was an actual lawyer before, because I was still a law student and he did get mad about that. That was a thing that started the whole thing for me. Daniel: Well, yeah, and I mean, you first got contact, right? It was under crazy circumstances. Clark: Yeah. Daniel: Like, you were lying for safety. Clark: True. Daniel: At this point, I feel like people need to announce the truth of what's really going on. Clark: Oh no- I, I agree. It's all gonna come out anyway in the trial, so. Daniel: Right, and I mean Tina, cuz I mean Daniel MacDougall- Dougall, also told me about, um... Tina's... um, comment, and said like, "Didn't Tina say don't contact Grace anymore?" and I'm sitting there going like, that's months ago, years ago, and since then, Tina is now understanding of what's going on. Clark: Geez, so yeah, that Instagram comment from a while ago? Daniel: But anyways, what I' m gonna do is I'm gonna call you back tomorrow... Clark: OK. Daniel: OK, um, we might need to figure out a way to put money on my books. Clark: OK, I can help with that. [call ends]

Second Phone Call

From a video posted by Larsonleak raw on the 12th of May, also featuring Kusari, a phone call from the 6th of May was leaked. This call is the most serious out of all of them. The calls contents contain Clark revealing everything to Daniel, from his UCLA classes being fake, to Clark not actually being a lawyer or a manager of his. He also addresses Daniel's actions and how bad they were, at one point calling him a "sick guy".

This occurred after management, as well as Clark, were interrogated by the police due to their involvement with Daniel. Clark elaborates that due to Daniel, he had lost 2 (and possibly) jobs due to him, and that this call to Daniel was, "the most important call of his life". While speaking to him, Clark does not give Daniel much room to speak, and it can be heard how shocked Daniel is.

Full call between Clark and Daniel.

Transcript

Automated voice: ...and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1. Daniel: Hello? Clark: (firmly) OK Daniel, I need you to listen completely for the next 10 minutes and I need to talk to you, okay? I need you to not interrupt me and I need you to be fucking serious right here cuz this is probably this- the only time, it's one of the most important things I'm ever gonna tell you. Daniel: OK. Clark: All of this has been it's... it's fake, man. I mean, I'm not Clark, I'm not a lawyer, I don't work for Interscope. Grace doesn't want to talk to you, there is- Grace, the only reason Grace knows you is 'cause she thinks either a predator and creep, and the only time you've ever talked to Tina was 'cause she was telling you to back away. I mean, it hurts to say, UCLA was fake, Interscope was fake, every single thing we did, it was fake. *Daniel sighs, and can be heard breathing heavily* I mean- None of that was real, Daniel. I mean... and I can't keep leading you on here, and- and, to be honest, you do need to learn your lesson, and I- I know we've acted like friends for the past, what, 9 months, but really, you're sick, you're a sick guy, man. And I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, then I would see you send those [REDACTED] to 15 year old Sky Brown, say your things, you- you need... you need to get some help, and I've been recording everything, I've- we even worked with MacDougall for a while, and it... I... and I'm done. *stutters a bit* Like, I'm- I... like, it's over man. There isn't anything else to say. I've been lying to you, I've been faking fucking everything, um, Grace doesn't even know who, if she knows who you are, she thinks you're a weirdo, and... yeah. *sighs* I mean, and I get some circumstances, but at the same time, you really are a menace to the streets of Colorado. [video cuts a bit] Clark: I'm a 20 year old kid from St. Louis in community college, and I know literally nothing, so. Um, I am gonna say, I won't be answering any more calls anymore. This is probably the last time we'll ever talk. Daniel: Right. No, I... I understand. Clark: But you don't. That's the thing, Daniel. You keep convincing yourself, Grace and all that, it's not- she doesn't want you, like, she- I've never talked to her in her life. How do you think all our calls end up on the internet too? Like, I- I mean, you're fucked and I- I... it's, it's over, you know? I'm sorry, not really at the same time, because this has been the fucking weirdest 10 months of my life, and I've had to been talking to a pretty much pedophile for that whole time while also hurting my image, I even got fired for my fucking job in real life for this, Daniel. So *clears throat* [video cuts] Daniel: I mean, you do have a point. Clark: *to person in background* No, I'm in the middle of the most important call of my life right now. Daniel: *unintelligible* I mean, uh, to be honest, I kind of knew that you were trolling, and that's why I kept qrestioning (questioning) everything. [Call lasts for another 16 minutes, mostly Daniel giving muffled responses and repeating himself. Clark hangs up.]

Third Phone Call

Also featured in the afformentioned video, Daniel called Clark on May 9, 2024. Clark reluctantly agreed to do this after former members of Daniels management convinced him to do so. In this call, Daniel seeks to fix his friendship with Clark and rebuild, while Clark maintains a serious tone and tells him to take responsibility. They both admit their past mistakes, although Daniel does not seem to truly understand his wrongdoings.

Considering Clark's unwillingness to speak with Daniel after this call, this was speculated to be the final time Daniel would have contact with outside world. However, he returned in September with a new call.

Transcript

Automated Voice: ...recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To consent to this recorded call, press 1. *Clark presses 1* To disconnect... Thank you for using [REDACTED]. You may start the conversation now. Daniel: Hello? Clark: Hi Daniel. OK, so pu- Daniel: Hi. I- Sorry, before you say anything, I wanna tell you that I am extremely sorry and I want to try to fix our friendship. Clark: I mean, it's not just- I feel like you have a lot of people to say sorry to mostly. Not just me, more like Bob, and the di- the restaurants and all the people that... even Grace in a way for tormenting her and her family for the past couple years. Daniel: I- I agree and I will take the blame, but I want to fix everything, you know? We all make mistakes and, you know, we all make mistakes and it's how we move forward. Right, and it's how we make progress. Clark: I agree and I know that Bob's been talking to you recently, so I hope you said sorry to him and everything, 'cause I'm surprise he's even still talking to you after what everything that went down. Daniel: I- I understand. And you know, with- with Grace I also understand what you said about it. Clark: And.. that starts with me being honest too, and I regret even all the fake Graces and all that, yeah, that wasn't right to do for Grace too, 'cause I don't know her in real life and I know she was probably not happy with people pretending to be her for the past couple years, so that does start with us too. But, the way you took it was a little too far in some ways, and I mean, and I do think- Daniel: *interrupts* I-I-I do agree. Clark: Yeah. Daniel: You know, I... we've been in contact for so long now, you know what I mean, I- I want us to be friends. Clark: I mean, you do understand everything I told you though in the last call, like all of this has been pretty much made up. I know it's for you to- to know but you gotta realize that before the trial, before they think you're crazy. Daniel: Right, and, you know, I- I agree. Clark: I mean, and... Daniel: And, *stammers* I do have to say that I do kind of know what, well I do know what my public defender is going to ask tomorrow, but I don't know if they're going to approve it this time or the next court date, but I do know that we're making progress in the right direction. Clark: OK, well I think this was a good conversation, but everything starts with a couple sorries here and there. Do you have anything that you wanna say to like, everybody out there? Like, 'cause I'm getting people are gonna get these phone calls through that so I- you should, if you wanna explain yourself to everybody on, on Reddit... Daniel: Right.. you know, what I want- what I want is, I want an apology to the entire fanbase, and not only to the fanbase, but I want, you know, an apology going out about the leaking of the phone calls, stuff like that. Clark: And just, everything. Even Sky Brown. *chuckles* Daniel: Just like, literally everything at this point. You know, I mean, if we go into detail, it's gonna be way too much right now. Clark: True. Daniel: You know what I mean? And we're on a timed phone call with, you know, money going through. I'm to a point to where, like, I wanna try to fix this with everything, and I want the real truth to be heard. Clark: And the truth will be heard Daniel. So like, we.. I gotta go, but we'll... [call ends]

Fourth Phone Call

Daniel had attempted to call Clark twice, on June 30 and at the end of August, both of which he had missed.

On the morning of September 7, 2024, Daniel called Clark from the federal prison, and had their first conversation in nearly four months. Daniel's emotional tone sounds vulnerable and agitated as he talks about his situation, saying that he has been put in protective custody for the last few months, and may be transferred to a psychiatric facility in a different state.

This call reveals the unsurprising fact that no matter how much sense people try to knock into Daniel, it never works, as he still thinking about Grace despite being told in the second call that she does not want anything to do with him.

Transcript

Clark: Dang, Daniel! How you doin'? Daniel: Absolutely terrible. *sighs* *Clark chuckles* So, um... so, my lawyer, my public defender, OK, is with the public defender's office, OK- a federal public defender's office out of uh, Denver, Colorado. And, his name is Jared [REDACTED]. He is saying I'm incompetent and I'm going to get transferred to a psychiatric facility. He's naming five different ones, one in South Carolina which doesn't make sense. I'm being told I would be moving to either South Carolina or Missouri, New York City, or New York, somewhere in New York, San Diego or Seattle. Clark: What the hell? Missouri? Daniel: Bob doesn't- Bob doesn't want me leaving the state, ok... [video cuts] Daniel: There's no time frame on when I'm going to get trans- transferred. The um, paperwork got submitted to the court over two months ago, so I'm just sitting and just waiting right now. Clark: It's terrible! Daniel: And I have a legal phone call with my lawyer today and I am being told by Bob, and I'm also thinking that, like why am I just sitting here? Like, they either need to get me transferred or at this point, get me time served and get me out. Clark: I agree. Daniel: Because like- because I mean threats? It's not I acted on them. I was homeless and I was demanding help. So where- wh-wh-where is the- where is the actual issue there? There isn't! Clark: You're right! They just- I mean they took advantage of a... I mean, I really don't understand either. I mean, has MacDougall even tried to talk to you since then, or MacDougall? Daniel: No, no. He hasn't. And he also told me, he promised me that Grace and I would be having the wedding. Clark: Fuck... well I don't even... Daniel: Like he's- he's promised me stuff now that is just not even happening, and then he was trying to accuse me of things, that... it's like, there's absolutely zero evidence of. Clark: Yeah, like the... child, uh- p- Daniel: The child molesting thing, which there's absolutely no evidence, so that never even got, that never even went through, because they just don't have evidence. Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: And then, um, also they were trying to accuse Bob of raping me! Clark: What the hell? Daniel: Yeah! They were trying to straight up accuse Bob and then lie to me just to get Bob arrested for sex crimes! Like, if you are gonna continue to do that, there's gonna be further issues! Clark: Ooooh... Daniek: 'Cause it's- it's straight up, like, not okay. You know, especially if it- if they're saying it happened to me and I absolutely know that- that is false information that they're saying is just ridiculous! Clark: I mean they're just- I mean, I'm surprised they didn't, uh, haven't arrested ME and other people and tried to accuse me of things. Daniel: Right! Clark: Why did that- so you got, I'm get- so all of July you were in the SHU, right? Daniel: I was in the SHU, yes, all of July. Pretty much. Clark: What... what, what happened? Did someone try and fight you, you said? Daniel: Somebody was trying to fight me, people were calling into the jail apparently, like to the actual like, facility. Sending threats to me, and so I was getting pretty much attacked for people calling in, and I'm like, "Guys, like, I'm famous. It's not my problem." Like, there's nothing I can do. Clark: Dang, so then they put you in protective custody? Daniel: They- I've been in protective custody on 22 hour lockdown, for over two months now. Clark: Sheesh! Daniel: Like, going on three months. Clark: What do you do all day? Daniel: Either sleep, or just read books. And people are still saying I don't know how to read books, when I do. So that's another thing that's pissing me off, is like, people are accusing me of not knowing how to read, and they don't even know if I can or can't. Clark: What, no- Daniel: So they don't even have a say. Clark: The cops were saying that, or like the inmates? Or just- Daniel: Everybody. Clark: Geez, yeah that's- Daniel: And then, other.. I guess other people inside the jail, inmates and CO's keep coming up to me, like joking around about Grace, saying, oh, I'm in contact with her now, I'm dating her. Clark: Geez! Daniel: And, all that's doing is, that's creating- that's getting me angry. You know, it's like, OK, like, do you have their number? 'Cause I have their number! Clark: Ooooh... Daniel: I'm not like, I don't have it, you know, straight on me, but it's in my legal discovery. It's just blocked out. You know what I mean? Like, I have more than enough proof right now and I'm pretty sure you don't. You know, and it's- they're just creating all these random arguments with me. Clark: I mean, they can look you up and see that you're in there for like, huge charges. Those people are probably in there for like, ped- like the jail you're in has a lot of pedophiles and stuff, like that Subway guy? Daniel: Right, but the thing is my charges are not that big. Clark: Exactly. Daniel: ...if you really think about it. They're samll compared to a lot of these other people. Clark: True. [video cuts] Clark: It's true. Daniel: You know, I'm just- I'm basically right now just serving time. That's all it is. Clark: And what books have you been reading? Did you get it from a commissary or something? Daniel: No, there's a library here. Clark: Hmmm. Daniel: I got a bunch of- I guess, like, two or three books. I've been reading like, fairy tale stuff, vampire stuff. Clark: Oh, that's good. Daniel: But, um, anyways, apparently Bob- Bob is all pissed off about what's going on with Grace. He's like, OK, so we know that Grace is involved. Why is she not helping? Like, why is she not getting you out? You know, like she's a millionaire, she should be able to just, you know, get you right now and get you on the record deal. Why is she not helping? He's pissed off and... I probably shouldn't say this because I don't wanna piss YOU off, but Bob is at the same time, kind of upset at YOU... Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: ....you got me in contact with the other person who claimed to be Grace, right? We know that, you got me in contact with the person claiming to be Tina and the person claiming to be Grace. I don't know right now if that is- if that was real or fake, but what I do know is when they told me that they were in contact with the FBI, okay, one thing I can confirm is that what they were saying is true in my legal discovery. Clark: That's true- yeah your legal discovery, we haven't- I haven't been able to see that, but what else? Daniel: Right, but my legal discovery straight up has conversations with the verified Tina, Grace's mother, where it's straight up talking about being in contact with me and saying, "Grace is not dating you, she's not aware of you", but what I find weird is that there's a straight up letter that got sent to the homeless shelter, where it straight up is from the real Dave, and Dave as we know, was wanting the relationship and the wedding all along. He has no problem with it, as we know, right? Clark: Yeah, I mean, assumming so, yeah. Daniel: Right, and so, the thing is, he is the one that apparently sent the letter, and now they're all saying, including Grace, that none of that ever happened. Clark: Geez! Daniel: And there's like, literal proof, like it came from their address, so who here is lying? Clark: Uh, I- it's all confusing, and then.. [video cuts] Daniel: ...or whoever this Grace is, which is from my understanding, the real Grace... is in my legal discovery, which straight up- it's the same stuff that you were saying when I was in contact with you prior to- prior to my arrest. So I'm being... the information I'm being given, right, is making me sound crazy. And it's- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel (continuing): It's pissing everybody off, you see what I mean? Clark: Yeah, I mean and they keep pushing back your trial. Daniel: And they k- Right, and they keep pushing back my trial, so who is doing that? You know, like at this point I don't know why I'm just- why I'm not just out, you know and they get me housing, you know like- like, wherever I'm supposed to go, you know? *coughs* Clark: I mean, like, Biden did drop out of the race, so it is Kamala now and I don't know if you heard, apparently there were like Venezuelan gangs coming to Aurora, Colorado and like, taking over apartments and stuff, I was like- Daniel *interrupting*: Yeah yeah, no, I heard about that, that's... true, that's what's going on. Um, I mean, what could also be going on too is I mean, all the shootings and stuff. Clark: Yeah. Daniel: They could be just saying threats are just one step away from the actual doing. The thing is, I'm not- I'm not that type of person. Clark: Yeah. Daniel: I don't, I'm not gonna just act on it, I was demanding help and I even have proof in my legal discovery of me demanding help, going to hospitals. Nobody ever once did anything, now they're doing kind of the same thing, but just holding me here. When... when is- when are things going to progress actually get better? I don't see it happening anytime soon. Clark: And I'm guessing, do they not have tablets in this one like that other? Daniel: No. But anyways, I gotta go, our time's almost up. Clark: OK. Daniel: I'll have to call you back. Clark: Um, one more thing. Try and write down some lyrics, 'cause next time we call, maybe you can like sing over the phone or something. Daniel: I don't know, we'll figure something out, OK? Clark: OK. Daniel: Alright, bye. Clark: Alright, bye.

First Lil Sippy Phone Call

On October 7, 2024, Lil Sippy received two calls from Daniel. He posted one of them on YouTube already, and plans to post more Larson calls soon. This is the first phone call that does not feature Clark.

First Call Transcript

Automated voice: ...call. This call is from Daniel Larson. This call will be recorded and subject to monitoring at any time. To accept this call, press 5. *Lil Sippy presses 5* You may begin speaking now. Lil Sippy: Hi, Daniel! Daniel: Hello, this is Daniel Larson. Lil Sippy: What's going on Daniel, how you doing man? Daniel: Hi, um... I'm doing OK, my- my lawyer hasn't been getting back to me at all. I haven't spoken to him since early August. Lil Sippy: OK, I got- um, I saw, I was looking on PACER and the prosecution has filed a new uh, thing in your case, a new document in your case that says you'll probably be in Springfield by uh, December. Daniel: Yes, that is correct. [video cuts] Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Um, and also, my lawyer for some reason has been, like the last time I talked to him, which was early August, right? He told me that I was never in contact with the VanderWaals or the label which is false. Lil Sippy: You said- Daniel: Because I was in contact with Grace before, and her mother. Lil Sippy: So you said that there's... you- something in your discovery for your legal cases confirmed that you were talking to the VanderWaals or something? Daniel: Yes. Lil Sippy: OK, yup. Daniel: Um, it's- it's confirmed and there's even conversations in my legal discovery over social media where Tina HAS admitted to talking with me which is true, where she's told me to stop listening to the trolls. The issue is, well, I was homeless right? I had to make my own living. I had to try to survive, and it became a survival thing where I was trying to like, literally stay alive and my family, my OWN family, was manipulating financials, they were telling me to cut ties with Tina and I accidentally blocked the real Tina, not the impersonators, I accidentally blocked the real Tina and I lost contact altogether. When I tried to regain contact, I couldn't. You see what I mean? Lil Sippy: Yeah, what- what people- Daniel: So... Lil Sippy: So, what? Daniel: The big issue is, so Tina wanted me to cut ties with Grace and stop talking to the impersonators, and only talk to Grace. And what Grace was doing was she was getting me in contact with her management, behind Grace- or behind Tina's back, and so Grace got me in contact with EVERYBODY, you see what I mean? Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: And then, somewhere along the line when Tina found out, because I reported it to Tina that Grace was actually in contact. Once Tina, Grace's mother, found out, then... Tina started having full-time contact with me. Lil Sippy: Wow, OK. Daniel: And then, they were saying that I needed to have, I needed to have five songs, an EP before I can get the label deal, which is supposed to be $35 million, or $36 million. It was supposed to be record-breaking, I think record-breaking record deal for 2023, but my family kept saying it was fake and wasn't real. And I tried to get help, that's why I was going on the M1 holds, OK? Lil Sippy: Yeah. Daniel: The M1 holds were calling- everybody at the hospitals were calling my family, telling them they needed to get me housing. They refused, and I was put right back on the streets... Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: While all this was going on, law enforcement got involved and started telling me I was not in contact with Tina and to block Tina again, and it became like a- it became a war of who I was in contact with. And so, I made the threats which is why I'm here in prison, in jail. I made the threats to try and put an end to everything and drag everybody into the situation so I can handle things legally. Lil Sippy: Yeah, I know there, th- uh, you were emailing me last night talking about when you're going to have a trial. You do understand that you have to like, they've, they've said you're incompetend to stand trial and they'll probably hold you until you're competent. You gotta kinda put on an a- if I were you, I'd kind of try to put on an act and you know, act as normal as possible to try the, um... for the psychiatrist to say that you're competent so you can just go ahead and take a plea deal and get out because- Daniel: *interrupts* Yes, which is actually weird because I... nobody's telling me why I'm incompetent. Like, nobody has been telling me anything, they've been saying that I've been doing things very well and I shouldn't even be in custody. That's the word from the jail, that's the psychiatry here at the jail. Lil Sippy: Do you have any- do you have any idea how long you'll be in Springfield? Are they going to hold you indefinitely until they say you're competent or what? Daniel: That's what my lawyer is shooting for... is, he's saying that they're gonna try to make me compentent. I never even what Grace was even saying behind the scenes, if that makes sense. So I don't know, I- I figured that Tina was going to try to- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: I figured that Tina was going to try to stop Grace from having contact with me. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: And, I don't- I don't know why, you know? Lil Sippy: Well just, just as- you should probably just not mention Grace or Tina to any of the psychiatrists because I don't think that's really going to help your case trying to get- Daniel: I don't think it's helping either. Lil Sippy: Yeah... Daniel:Like, I- I asked my lawyer for verification on if it was really the real Tina. Lil Sippy: And he said no? Daniel: And- and he said no... Lil Sippy: Oh, OK. Daniel: ...which is weird because it's confirmed that yes, it was actually THEM, and I'm not saying that there was a fake involved but what I'm saying is that I was definitely at one point in contact, you see what I'm saying? Lil Sippy: Yeah, so- Daniel: And, and that's what I needed to clarify. Now that I've clarified that, no I'm concerned about how I can make things better, and everybody else is just going backwards. [video cuts]] Lil Sippy: ...say on the the phone, 'cause they could get you in trouble. I'm gonna send you that- the, have you got the most recent document that was filed in your case? The prosecutions document, I got it packed up and I was gonna send it to you if you haven't already seen it. Daniel: I- I do not. I- I do have my legal discovery from before I got arrested, but everything after, like conversations and everything after I got arrested, I don't have information on, so I don't know what is being said, now that I'm arrested. Lil Sippy: OK, so you don't have any of the new documents that have been filed. I'm gonna- I- I already have the one packed up to- to uh, send to you, the... the most recent one filed by the prosecution that kind of details the timeline of when you're gonna go to Springfield, but what I want for you is I want you to get out and I don't want you to sit in Springfield indefinitely. So, you know, there's the old saying, you fake it till you make it, you just gotta- you know, realize what make you sound crazy and not say that, and just fake, you know, fake it until you can be found competent and then you know, just take a plea deal and- you've already sat for a long time, they'll probably just give you time served. Daniel: Right, and my big fear is, I'm afraid that I'm going to have to plead guilty, because the thing is, if I plead guilty, then I don't think I can be with Grace. I think that's, that's what... Lil Sippy: Well, if you- why do you think that? If you plead guilty, you might be able to get just time served. You might just might be able to get out, but you have to be found competent before you can plead guilty is what I'm saying. Daniel: Right, and *coughs* I'm not saying I'm gonna be facing a long time or anything, but I would plead guilty to a felony because I'm in the feds. You see what I'm saying? Lil Sippy: Yeah, but how does that- how does it affect- Daniel: And, Grace- Grace wants me to travel with her. She goes to London all the time, she goes to Paris, and there are certain countries if I have a felony, I cannot go to, and Grace has friends in those countries. Lil Sippy: Yeah, there's certain countries. Yeah, I think you can go to London, I think the only main country you can't go with no felony is, uh, is like Canada, um... Daniel: And Canada is a big one, I think her label's out of Canada, Columbia Records. Lil Sippy: So, if you uh... Daniel: I think it's out of Canada. Lil Sippy: So if you do... Daniel: But there would be conflict there. Lil Sippy: So if you do end up, um, like, being found competent, you're going to try to go to trial, and- and beat the uh- get a not guilty verdict on the allegations? Daniel: That's what we're trying, and my lawyer has told me that we're trying to get a not guilty. He's- he, he thinks I'm a victim of the case. Lil Sippy: OK. So... Daniel: As far as trying to make everything work with the VanderWaals, that's what I'm concerned about now. Because I told my lawyer, I'm not going to plead guilty and I'm not gonna even make a decision until I know what's going on with Grace, and unfortunately, the way things are going with my family, and the way things are going in my life at this time, I'm thinking about just cutting ties for my safety, with my family for the time being. Lil Sippy: With, with Bob, with Bob and them? Daniel: Um... yeah, because Bob is not helping when I was on the streets, I don't believe he will help once I get out, I don't think he cares about my career, um, same thing with my biological dad, and I think as far as my career goes, and legal stuff when it comes to my publicity, I think that the VanderWaals are can- Automated voice: This call is from a federal prison. Daniel: ...the VanderWaals and her label could definitely help with that and keep me safe, and I know how publicifity (publicity)... Lil Sippy: OK, you just gotta- you gotta that there's, there's a lot of trolls who pretend to be Bob, so, you know, are you actually talking to the real Bob, or are you just talking to the trolls that wanna mess with you and pretend to be Bob. Daniel: I'm talking to the real Bob. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Um, it's verified with my lawyer and I even, um, know his a-home address, so. Lil Sippy: And he's not trying to help you? Daniel: He's not. Like, he's- he thought that Grace was fake all along, and that I was never in contact. Lil Sippy: OK. Are you still friends with Clark? Daniel: I'm- I'm trying to be friends with Clark, but he's flip-flopping on a lot of information. Lil Sippy: Yeah, I guess the feds are investigating him too and came to his work. I wouldn't care if the feds investigate me, they already are, but, yeah I guess he's being scaredy, but- yeah, I, so I... Daniel: But, yeah, but I don't care about the feds too, I'm not scared of them. Like I said, I'm more scared from a legal perspective of trying to make everything work, because I made the threats because I wanted things to work, and I was aware of all the drama and the trolls, and I needed security, because I should have had security all along, especially bodyguards. Fans were like, actually coming up to me in person, so, so, what am I gonna do once I get out? *laughs* Lil Sippy: Yeah, I know you've been dealing with a lot of harassment. Yeah, lot of harassment, but, um, you don't have any, any- any re- idea when you'll be out? Daniel: I don't. My lawyer is saying, last I heard, that I'm going for four months and if I get found competent, then I'm going to trial. Lil Sippy: OK good. Daniel: So, he said my trial could be sometime next year, but this is the first time I've heard of Tina trying to stop Grace, and I would like to know more information on that, but I am concerned that things aren't gonna work out, because I also know that most of Grace's songs are about me. I've been listening to a lot of her songs, so. Lil Sippy: OK, yeah. Well I- Daniel: But anyways, I gotta go, um... Lil Sippy: Yeah, I'm gonna esnd you- I'm gonna send you that paperwork. I already sent you some pictures of Billie Eilish, Bhad Bhabie, and Flo Milli, and actually, today the pictures of Grace and JoJo, and Emma came so I'm gonna get those to you too, and uh- uh, you still on 23 and 1, on PC? Daniel: Yeah, I'm still in PC. Lil Sippy: OK, you gonna call back? Daniel: I'm gonna call back, yeah. Lil Sippy: OK. Daniel: Alright, bye. Lil Sippy: Bye *Daniel hangs up*

Second Lil Sippy call

On October 8, 2024, Lil Sippy released the second call from October 7th. It can be viewed below.

The Charges

Daniel is currently facing serious legal charges. Initially, he was facing six counts of, "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive," and one count of, "Interstate Communication of Threats." Each, "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive," charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in federal prison. The, "Interstate Communication of Threats" charge could add another five years. Based off of all seven charges, the maximum jail time that Daniel could face was 65 years in prison. It is difficult to accurately estimate to the fines that Daniel may face as they range quite substantially. On July 17, 2024, a user of Reddit that four charges were dropped, all being the "Use or Threatened Use of Explosive" charges, reducing his maximum possible sentence to 25 years.

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Court Appearances and Legal Proceedings

Daniel's public defender, Jared Westbroek.

As mentioned in the calls with Clark, Daniel was assigned a public defender due to him not having the means to obtain a lawyer. His attorney was soon identified as Jared Scott Westbroek. According to Daniel, his public defender is attempting to argue that Daniel could not have carried out any of his threats as he lacked the resources to do so, therefore he should be released.

Motion for Daniel's release

On May 10, right before Daniel's court hearing, documents were found that detailed Daniel's public defender was introducing a motion for Daniel's immediate release. However, this motion, along with one filed the day before were both denied by the judge.

These documents requested that Daniel be outfitted with an ankle tracker and placed under mandatory mental health treatment. This document also mentions placing Daniel into a halfway house, where he would presumably stay if he were to come out of jail, which has not happened yet.

As of June 29, this motion has been left unresolved.

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TLDR; He's not getting out.

May 10 court appearance

"Nothing was accomplished."

Daniel appeared in court for an arraignment on May 10, 2024, and pleaded not guilty to all charges. Due to his not guilty plea, Daniel was not released from jail. Daniel was given a new trial date, set to July 15, which was stated in the Order of Detention following the trial. According to Bob, Daniel stated that, "nothing was accomplished" following the hearing's conclusion.

In texts to Clark, Bob tells him that he would be held until a mental health evaluation was conducted (which Daniel will most definitely fail). Additionally, Bob states that Daniel says the the "appearance got leaked," although it is unclear as to what Daniel meant by this.

Order of detention

After the court hearing, the judge, Norman Reid Neureiter, issued an order of detention. This confirmed that Daniel would, in fact, remain in jail after pleading not guilty, as well as the judge demanding that Daniel complete a mandatory mental health evaluation. This order of detention also touches upon Daniel's request to be released.

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May 23 Mental Health Evaluation Docket

A docket from May 23 ordered Daniel undergo a mental health evaluation. His July 10th and 15th court dates were canceled, and he was sent to undergo an evaluation at a mental health facility.

May 27 Docket Report

On May 27, a docket report was issued that detailed all of what had happened up to that point during Daniel's incarceration.

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May 31 Transfer

Details of his transfer.

On May 31, Daniel was transferred to Englewood Federal Correctional Institution, which, coincidentally, is the same facility where sex offender and documented pedophile Jared Fogle is being held.

July 19 Competency Report

A psychiatric report for Daniel filed on July 19, 2024. In this report, it is revealed that Daniel was deemed incompetent for trial, and would be institutionalized in an unknown mental health facility in hopes of being evaluated where he is currently in custody. The court hearing scheduled for September 23, 2024 was canceled. On July 26, an order was issued for Daniel to be institutionalized for no longer than four months. He was also deemed "sexually dangerous" in the order.

Daniel will be re-evaluated around the end of November 2024.

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September 25 Report & Transfer Request

A report was filed on September 25, with Daniel's attorney demanding that he be transferred to a psychiatric facility within a week and that the court receive his evaluation by November 25.

If neither happens, the case may be dismissed which will result in Daniel being released. His attorney believes that Daniel has been in jail for longer than he should be and the reason is because the mental health facilities do not have any beds available.

On October 3, 2024, the court responded to this request, stating that his four-month evaluation period will begin in December. He will also be moved to Springfield Missouri that month, and will be re-evaluated in April 2025.

Future Hearings

Daniel had a competency hearing scheduled for September 23, 2024, but it was ordered to be vacated, and he is to be reevaluated sometime at the end of November

He is now being tried for only 3 of the 7 original counts.