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{{Infobox|image=ElisabethShimer.jpeg|imageDesc=Notice her distinct lack of eyebrows.|name=Elisabeth Shimer|Alignment=Daniel Larson’s mother|Nationality=American|Race=White|Parents=Nancy Shimer (1947– 2019), Daniel William Shimer (1943–2015)}}
{{Quote|I am a [[Music Career|singer, song writer]]. I am a Christan and Believe that God put me here for a Good reason. I show my love for him through my music..|author=Elisabeth's Facebook bio.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/p/Elisabeth-Shimer-100061085711239/</ref>}}
'''Elisabeth Lee Avey''' (née '''Shimer''') is the ex-lover of [[Travis Larson]], adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] the mother of [[Daniel Larson]], as well as his late siblings, [[Family|Joyetta and Olivia Larson.]]
{{Quote|My son is my heart....I would sacrifice everything for him that is in my life..........I LOVE YOU MY BIG BOY...................||author=Elisabeth, about a young [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]]. That did not age well.}}
{{Infobox|image=ElisabethShimer.jpeg|imageDesc=Notice her distinct lack of eyebrows.|name=Elisabeth Shimer|Knownas=Lisa|Alignment=Daniel Larson’s mother|DOB=November 4, 1976 - October 2024|Nationality=American|Race=White|Parents= [[Nancy Shimer]] (1947–2019)<br>[[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]] (1943–2015)|Arcs=[[Before Era]]}}
'''Elisabeth Lee Avey''' (née '''Shimer''', pronounced: [shy-mer]; November 4, 1976 – October 2024), name commonly mispelled as '''Elizabeth''', was the ex-lover of [[Travis Larson]], adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family#Daniel William Shimer|Daniel William Shimer]], and most notably, the mother of [[Daniel Larson]] and his late siblings, [[Family#Joyetta and Olivia Larson|Joyetta and Olivia Larson.]]


Though Daniel's father has remained a rather unpopular figure in the Daniel Larson community, the same cannot be said for Elisabeth, who has remained consistently disliked, even by Daniel. However, this should be taken with a grain of salt, as Daniel's definitive opinion on her is not clear, main due to his [[Daniel Larson's health|delusions]] and other factors in his life. Elisabeth is a very unknown character in the Daniel Larson story, and it is impossible to know if anything she or Daniel says is true.  
Daniel's father has remained a rather unpopular figure in the Daniel Larson community, but the same cannot be said for Elisabeth. She has remained consistently disliked, even by Daniel. Elisabeth had been accused of being highly neglectful and abusive towards her son, which is questionable, although somewhat substantiated due to the fact that Daniel was relocated to the [[Tennyson Center]] during his childhood. Despite this fact, Elisabeth had also accused her own son of abuse towards her, which is substantiated as Elisabeth was documented to have been [[November 6th Arrest|assaulted by Daniel]] when he was 18 years old. Despite these mutual accusations of abuse, Elisabeth’s behaviors seem to have rubbed off onto Daniel during his childhood, as [[Discography|much like her son]], she too had an interest in music.


Elisabeth has been accused of being neglectful and abusive, which is questionably true, although somewhat substantiated due to the fact that Daniel was relocated and sent to the [[Tennyson Center]] during his childhood. Despite this fact, Elisabeth has, in turn, accused him and remained adamant that Daniel was the abusive one, hitting her and his grandmother, [[Nancy Shimer]]. Despite these constant accusations of abuse, Elisabeth’s behaviors seem to have rubbed off onto Daniel during his childhood, as [[Discography|much like her son]], she too has an interest in music.
Nonetheless, after [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]]'s death, Elisabeth wished to keep absolutely no contact with Daniel, presumably having put a restraining order on him along with [[Travis Larson|Travis]]. This is most likely due to the physical assault she had endured, although the claim of this restraining order on him has yet to be confirmed.  


There are also extremely tenuous claims that [https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/Pedophilia#Daniel's_Sexual_Deviance_and_Possible_Sexual_Trauma Elisabeth had possibly sexuality assaulted Daniel when he was a young child], which may have kicked off his [[pedophilia]], if ever found to be true This claim comes from question Daniel asked on his [[Quora|Quora page]] "Has your mother ever given you a hand job as a kid?" as well as a testimony from a person ''claiming'' to be a caretaker of Daniel's, claiming he has "history of child sexual abuse (to him and by him)." Although it’s called into question as to what this means.
Sometime in October 2024, Elisabeth passed away from undisclosed causes.  
 
Nonetheless, after [[Nancy Shimer|Nancy]]'s death, Elisabeth wished to keep absolutely no contact with Daniel, presumably having put a restraining order on him along with [[Travis Larson|Travis]]. This is most likely due to the physical assault she had endured, although the claim of this restraining order on him has yet to be confirmed.
==Biography==
==Biography==
Not much is known about Elisabeth's early life, but what information can be found will be pieced together to form a somewhat consistent timeline of events.  
Elisabeth Lee Shimer was born on November 4th, 1976, in California. She is the adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]] and [[Family|Daniel William Shimer]]. Nancy was said to have adopted her through connections from her job as a social worker, as her job required relocating infants to care homes, with Elisabeth being one of these infants.<ref>[[Spiddlekick Interview]]</ref> Due to this, information on her biological family is unknown. While unconfirmed, Elisabeth herself most likely suffers from the same mental disabilities Daniel has, or is at least somewhat mentally challenged. These claims come from her appearance, which is generally not seen in able-bodied individuals, and disabilities such as autism having very high heritability rates. However, until further information comes out, it will remain unknown exactly what she suffers from.  


Elisabeth is the adoptive daughter of [[Nancy Shimer]], who had presumably adopted her through connections from her job as a social worker. Elisabeth was adopted prior to Nancy's divorce, although her relationship with Nancy's husband and biological children is unknown.
Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy prior to her divorce with Daniel Shimer, her adoptive father. It is unknown what real to relationship she had with him or her adoptive sisters.  


While unconfirmed, Elisabeth most likely suffers from the same mental disabilities Daniel has, or is at least somewhat mentally challenged. These claims mostly come from her appearance, which is generally not seen in able-bodied individuals. This is very much possible, as disabilities such as autism have very high heritability rates. However, until further information comes out, it will remain unknown what exactly she suffers from.
In 1990, Elisabeth enrolled in YPIA (Young Peoples Institute of Arts and Academics), where she graduated from in 1993.<ref name=":0">https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> From 1995 to 2004, Elisabeth enrolled in Antelope Valley College, graduating in Music and Performing Arts.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> Not long after enrolling in AVC, Elisabeth would meet [[Travis Larson]], who, not long after, would help conceive Daniel with, to which she'd give birth on November 15th, 1998.[[File:Daniel's Mother Greiving.png|thumb|500x500px|Daniel's mother grieving the deaths of Joyetta and Olivia.]]
[[File:Daniel's Mother Greiving.png|thumb|500x500px|Daniel's mother grieving the deaths of Joyetta and Olivia.]]
Later on, on March 27th, 2001, Elisabeth would conceive children with Travis once more. She'd soon give birth to Daniels only siblings, twin girls [[Family|Joyetta and Olivia Larson]], though the twins passed away the following day due to RH incompatibility.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0MnyaEcaQ2RWSmKDwvt26jKSZw7xEZRMYiBkFQAV3EENY8vvYHxxfFuLFWcn8FYual</ref>
In 1990, Elisabeth enrolled in YPIA (Young Peoples Institute of Arts and Academics), where she graduated from in 1993.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484481132561%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> From 1995 to 2004, Elisabeth enrolled in Antelope Valley College, graduating in Music and Performing Arts.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484427799233%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref>  


Not long after enrolling in AVC, Elisabeth would meet [[Travis Larson]], who, not long after, would help conceive Daniel with, to which she'd give birth to him on November 15th, 1998.
Elisabeth would move to [[Colorado Springs|Colorado]] in 2009, when Daniel was 11.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F100000130337751%2Fposts%2F348916081789400%2F</ref> According to Youtube comments, her reasoning for moving to Colorado was due to the mental and physical health support, which both her and Daniel would need, Elisabeth more so, as at this time, she was in a wheelchair. But not long after, she would have no custody over him, as [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] would be taken away by the state of Colorado and begin living in foster care, and eventually the [[Tennyson Center]]. While the reason stated for Daniel being taken away was due to neglect, it is unconfirmed as to what Elisabeth (or Travis) did to him. [[File:Elisabeth's Tweets.png|thumb|328x328px|Elisabeth, tweeting about her "music career"]]Daniel has stated that his mother “couldn’t take care of him anymore,”{{Citation Needed}} and given the fact that at this time Elisabeth was disabled and in a wheelchair, it is very likely that her disability impacted her ability and to care for him, resulting in neglect. Even so, it is hard to tell what is true about Elisabeth and what is not, due to Daniel constantly going back and forth on whether he was abused or not. This seems likely, though, as in 2010, Travis and Elisabeth had parted ways. According to one of Elisabeths facbeook posts, this occured after Travis told Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as he'd "never get better". With this absence, it most likely added an extra factor of difficulty to parenting Daniel.
[[File:Elisabeth Moves to Colorado.png|left|thumb|Elisabeth's post to Facebook following her moving.]]
With her new husband, James Avey, who she'd get engaged to on January 1st, 2011, she would co-own their business, [[Avey Incubator Inc]] in 2010, which sold animal incubators.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484311132578%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref>  
Later on, on March 27th, 2001, Elisabeth would conceive children with Travis once more, this time being twins. She'd soon give birth to Daniels siblings, being the twin girls, [[Family|Joyetta and Olivia Larson]], though the twins passed away the following day from RH incompatibility.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0MnyaEcaQ2RWSmKDwvt26jKSZw7xEZRMYiBkFQAV3EENY8vvYHxxfFuLFWcn8FYual</ref>
[[File:ElisabethNewHusband.png|left|thumb|284x284px|Elisabeth, and James Avey. ]]
Something that is interesting to note about Elisabeth is her affinity for singing, which most likely influenced Daniel to pursue a career in singing. On her YouTube account, she would upload several videos of her singing, the most infamous being tributes to various people, namely Daniel. One of these videos was directed towards Daniel, where [https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Wd4lJI8KWas she sang "I Won't Give Up", which was posted on the 28th of September, 2014.]


Elisabeth would move to [[Colorado Springs|Colorado]] in 2009<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F100000130337751%2Fposts%2F348916081789400%2F</ref>, when Daniel was 11. Though, not long after, she would have no custody over him, as [[Daniel Larson|Daniel]] would begin living in the [[Tennyson Center]]. While the reason stated for Daniel being taken away was due to neglect and abuse, it is unconfirmed as to what Elisabeth and Travis did to him.
On Elisabeth's Twitter account, she would frequently post about going to a music studio to work on her original songs, although these claims of having a music "career" and having "fans" are obviously untrue.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/12isgoq/now_we_see_where_he_gets_his_musical_career_and/</ref>


Daniel has stated that his mother “couldn’t take care of him anymore,” and given the fact that at this time Elisabeth was disabled and in a wheelchair, it is very likely that her disability impacted her ability and to care for him, resulting in neglect. Even so, it is hard to tell what is true about Elisabeth and what is not, due to Daniel constantly going back and forth on whether he was abused or not. This seems likely, though, as in 2010, Travis and Elisabeth had parted ways. According to one of Elisabeths facbeook posts, this occured after Travis told Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as he'd "never get better". With this absence, it most likely added an extra factor of difficulty to parenting Daniel.
Sometime after Daniel was adopted by Nancy, Elisabeth was soon given access to see him once more, though the exact date is unknown. She had also made a tribute video to Joyetta and Olivia, wherein she sang "Angels", sharing various pictures of them after birth. Elisabeth shows an intense love for both of these children, although by the time the video had been posted, it had been well over a decade after their births, presumably showing more love for them than Daniel.
[[File:Elisabeth Engagement..png|left|thumb|Elisabeth announcing her engagement.]] 
===Later life, and poor health===
[[File:Elisabeth Venting.png|thumb|She’s a strong woman, she don’t need no man!]]
Since Elisabeth was roughly 20 years old, she had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of lupus, an incurable genetic autoimmune disease found predominantly in women, which caused her multiple health related issues.<ref>[https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain. https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain.]</ref> While Travis lived happy life with his new wife and child(ren), the same probably cannot be said for her.
With her new husband, who she'd get engaged to on January 1st, 2011, she would co-own their business, [[Avey Incubator Inc]] in 2010,<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Ftimeline%2Fstory%3Fut%3D32%26wstart%3D-2051193600%26wend%3D2147483647%26hash%3D255484311132578%26pagefilter%3D3%26ustart%3D1</ref> which sold animal incubators.  


Something that is interesting to note about Elisabeth is her affinity for singing, which most likely influenced Daniel to pursue a career in singing. On her YouTube account, she would upload several videos of her singing, the most infamous being tributes to various people. One of these videos was directed towards Daniel, where [https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/Wd4lJI8KWas she sang "I Won't Give Up", which was posted on the 28th of September, 2014.]  
As of March 10th, 2010, Elisabeth has been put on chemotherapy and immunosuppressants due to her lupus, which eventually left her wheelchair-bound.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid02s8UAJC62RxL7SuCvYSnEcRNePmbR4QnBgTEBvWk7MmQxpxPMXaN4sQ3f1hrpRsA8l</ref> In 2015, she went into partial assisted living, where her health would continue to deteriorate further which is evidenced by her posting on Facebook about her being in and out of the hospital on a daily basis.<sup>[See discussion page, '''<u>do not cite</u>''']</sup> 


On Elisabeth's Twitter account, she would frequently post about going to a music studio to work on her original songs, although these claims of having a music "career" and having "fans" are obviously untrue.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/12isgoq/now_we_see_where_he_gets_his_musical_career_and/</ref>
{{Quote|Well saw the Dr today....He says I don't have MS........but I do have Lupus in the aggressive state........I already knew that though ...have had it since I was 20 years old.......He put me back on chemo and immunosuppressents.....to keep me stable.........still have the ear infection and pneumonia......... he said it will take some time to get well...........}}
[[File:Elisabeth's Tweets.png|thumb|387x387px|Elisabeth's tweets about her music "career"]]Sometime after Daniel was adopted by Nancy, Elisabeth was soon given access to see him once more, though the exact date is unknown. She had also made a tribute video to Joyetta and Olivia, wherein she sang "Angels", sharing various pictures of them after birth. Elisabeth shows an intense love for both of these children, although by the time the video had been posted, it had been well over a decade after their births, presumably showing more love for them than Daniel.
=== Later life, and poor health ===
Since Elisabeth was roughly 20 years old, she had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of lupus, an incurable genetic autoimmune disease found predominantly in women, which caused her multiple health related issues.<ref>[https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain. https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain.]</ref>


As of March 10th, 2010, Elisabeth has been put on chemotherapy and immunosuppressants, as well as having a multiple sclerosis scare, which turned out to be her lupus acting up.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid02s8UAJC62RxL7SuCvYSnEcRNePmbR4QnBgTEBvWk7MmQxpxPMXaN4sQ3f1hrpRsA8l</ref> In 2015, she went into partial assisted living, where her''<sup>[See discussion page, '''<u>do not cite</u>''']</sup>'' health would continue to deteriorate further which is evidenced by her posting on Facebook about her being in and out of the hospital on a daily basis.  
On February 8th, 2016, Elisabeth posted on Facebook that she is paralyzed from the breastbone down, causing her to be in a wheelchair permanently.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0JtMbBhGNdBew78Qi6SyKKBNiPPMESAGtkUhjbrYViPSBdQue765qeJWpVZFK8C5Bl</ref> This should be remembered, as her being in a wheelchair would not prove to be positive within the coming years.  


On February 8th, 2016, Elisabeth posted on Facebook that she is paralyzed from the breastbone down, causing her to be in a wheelchair permanently.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fdannybob98%2Fposts%2Fpfbid0JtMbBhGNdBew78Qi6SyKKBNiPPMESAGtkUhjbrYViPSBdQue765qeJWpVZFK8C5Bl</ref> This should be remembered, as her being in a wheelchair would not prove to be positive within the coming years.
=== Death ===
Elisabeth died in October 2024 at the age of 46 due to unknown circumstances. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gqk77t/rip/</ref>


== Relationships ==
== Custody Battle for Daniel ==
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=== Travis ===
==Relationships==
''Main article: [[Travis Larson]]''[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth disavowing Travis in favor of getting Daniel back into her life.|280x280px]]
[[File:Elisabeths post about Travis.png|thumb|Elisabeth disavowing Travis. You go, girl!|280x280px]]
===Travis===
''Main article: [[Travis Larson]]''
 
Like many other aspects about them, not much about their relationship with each other is known. But, according to Facebook posts, their relationship deteriorated around 2010, coming to a screeching halt after Travis called Daniel a lost cause, insisting he would never get better.  
Like many other aspects about them, not much about their relationship with each other is known. But, according to Facebook posts, their relationship deteriorated around 2010, coming to a screeching halt after Travis called Daniel a lost cause, insisting he would never get better.  
 
[[File:Elisabeth Venting.png|left|thumb|211x211px|Elisabeth venting on Facebook.]]
After this, Elisabeth insisted that she did not need a man in her life, claiming Travis to be "..obsessed with sex" and not caring for others feelings. These posts kicked off a constant theme of not needing a man in her life. However, this did not last very long, following her engagement on January 1st, 2011.
After this, Elisabeth insisted that she did not need a man in her life, claiming Travis to be "..obsessed with sex" and not caring for others feelings. These posts kicked off a constant theme of not needing a man in her life. However, this did not last very long, following her engagement on January 1st, 2011.


After their breakup, Travis left her for another woman not long after Daniel was taken away. Following their breakup, Travis had at least one daughter with his new partner, named Aurora Larson.
After their breakup, Travis left her for another woman not long after Daniel was taken away. Following their breakup, Travis had at least one daughter with his new partner, named Aurora Larson.


=== Nancy ===
===Nancy===
 
''Main Article: [[Nancy Shimer]]''
=== Daniel ===
[[File:ElisabethNancy.png|thumb|250x250px|Got anymore pixels?]]
Elisabeths relationship with her adopted mother is most unknown. What is known is that through connections as a social worker, Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy. Though, it isn't known at what time or year she was adopted. In June 2022, in comments made under a video uploaded by [[Papa Gut]], she elaborated on her relationship with her Nancy, where she claimed that Nancy had not liked her moving away to Colorado in 2009, resulting in Nancy "spreading lies", said lies being unclear. {{Quote|This was all a lie ...she just didn't like me moving away so she spread lies. And yes she did pass away in 2018.I love my son but he does have many mental issues and can be very violent at times ...he beat me and my mother before she died and had beaten her for 10 years straight...after she got custody of him...yes he should have stayed there. My mom let him get away with everything and gave him everything that's why he is the way he is... I wouldn't put up with his behavior |author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Final_Comment.png</ref>}}What is important to know is that these claims about Nancy are most likely not true. Due to her disability, and Daniel (in Flexburgers words) "being an asshole", she was unequipped to care for him, especially given Travis's absence. Despite Nancy's [[Enablers|enabling]], It is most likely that Nancy called child protective services to get Daniel into a home where he could be properly cared for, which ended up being the [[Tennyson Center]].
===Daniel===
[[File:DanielandElisabeth.png|thumb|Danny boy, and his absolute smokeshow of a mother. Talk about getting the Genetic middle finger.|260x260px]]
''Main article: [[Daniel Larson]]''
''Main article: [[Daniel Larson]]''
[[File:DanielandElisabeth.png|thumb|Danny boy, and his absolute smokeshow of a mother.]]
Elisabeths relationship with Daniel can be best described as shattered. Elisabeth was known to be abusive and neglectful towards Daniel throughout most, if not the entirety of his childhood, resulting in the myriad of mental health issues Daniel has today.


The exact nature of this abuse is unknown, as she soon came out about Daniel abusing her she has shifted the blame on to Daniel, painting ''him'' as the abuser. She wrote comments on Facebook in the early 2010's about how he loved Daniel, yet when looking at her latest Youtube comments, there is clearly not much love there.
Daniel is Elisabeth's first and only biological child after the death of her twins.  


==Elisabeth on Daniel==
Elisabeth's relationship with Daniel can be best described as shattered. Daniel has claimed that Elisabeth was abusive to him during his childhood, though the exact nature of this abuse is unknown, as one time he said that she and Travis beat him with belts for "15 years", and at another time, saying that she had never abused him at all. However, in Facebook posts made in the early 2010's, Elisabeth would wax poetic about how much she loved Daniel. Even after Travis left her in 2010, Elisabeth still made an effort to try and get her back into her life, but eventually gave up on Daniel herself.  
[[File:ElisabethShimerPapaGut(1).png|thumb|544x544px|Elisabeth commenting on [[Papa Gut]]'s video.]]
In June 2022, Elisabeth would leave multiple comments on two videos by YouTuber/TikTokker [[Papa Gut]], detailing her experiance with Daniel while he was living with both her and his grandmother, although these comments would not become known to the Daniel Larson community until 3 months later, until  they were shared on the [[R/Daniellarson]].[[File:Elisabeth Comment 1.png|left|thumb|Elisabeth's second comment on Papa Guts video.]]
In the comments, Elisabeth would go into further detail on a number of topics relating to Daniel, including Daniel's various disabilities (beyond autism, including schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), his history of physical violence against both her and [[Nancy Shimer]], the interpersonal relationship between the three of them. What is interesting to note is that Elisabeth speaks of Daniel going to jail following him physically assaulting both her and his grandmother.  


One of Elisabeths nicknames for Daniel was, "Danny Boy", which he'd grow to detest and hate being called. Daniel also alledges that Elisabeth hated being called "mom" or "mother", and demanded that Daniel call her "mommy", otherwise she'd get upset.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14kn6gg/surprising_revelations_about_daniels_mother/</ref> However, like many others things, it should be noted that Daniel is extremely delusional and his statements should not be taken at face value.


There are also extremely tenuous (and more importantly, '''unconfirmed''') claims of Elisabeth sexually assaulting Daniel when he was a young child, which may have kicked off his [[pedophilia]]. This claim comes from question Daniel asked on his [[Quora|Quora page]] "Has your mother ever given you a hand job as a kid?" as well as a testimony from a person ''claiming'' to be a caretaker of Daniel's who said he had a "history of child sexual abuse." However, this is probably unlikely, given Elisabeth becoming paralyzed, and [[11/6/17 Arrest|Daniel's history of beating his mother.]]


However, it should be noted at this point that the relationship between Daniel and his mother is very strained. It is therefore questionable whether one can believe her comments.
This would not serve her in the long run, as Daniel was claimed to have beaten his mom and his grandmother for "ten straight years", which painted ''him'' as the abuser. This got to a point where Daniel was even arrested, [[11/6/17 Arrest|having to serve 44-45 in prison for 3rd degree assault]] after he shoved his mother. In June of 2022, Elisabeth would leave comments on videos made by YouTuber [[Papa Gut]], detailing her experiance with Daniel while he was living with both her and his grandmother,
{{Quote|I'm Danny's mom and yes we have moved here for the services. He doesn't just have autism he has severe bi polar and shizophrenic. He has beaten me and my mom... he has lied and has fantasies about so many things. He does not want to listen to authority...he is not famous but wants to beleive he is.he does what he wants and if you dont let him he gets violent..if you want more information contact me|Elisabeth, in Papa Guts comment section.}}[[File:Elisabeth Final Comment.png|thumb|345x345px|Elisabeth elaborating on her relationship with Nancy.]]
Following this comment, Elisabeth made her third, and last comment on Papa Guts video, where she elaborated on her relationship with her mother, Nancy Shimer, where she claimed that Nancy had not liked her moving away, which resulted in Nancy spreading lies about Elisabeth. Additionally, Elisabeth reaffirms the claims about Daniel's mental health issues.
{{Quote|This was all a lie ...she just didn't like me moving away so she spread lies. And yes she did pass away in 2018.I love my son but he does have many mental issues and can be very violent at times ...he beat me and my mother before she died and had beaten her for 10 years straight...after she got custody of him...yes he should have stayed there. My mom let him get away with everything and gave him everything that's why he is the way he is... I wouldn't put up with his behavior}}


Although it is uncertain if Elisabeth can be trusted as a reliable narrator due to her tumultuous history with Daniel, the YouTube account which posted the comments has been verified as belonging to her.[[File:Shakybby.jpg|thumb|Example of a troll pretending to be his mother|left|432x432px]]
In the comments, Elisabeth would go into further detail on a number of topics relating to Daniel, including Daniel's various disabilities that were beyond autism (such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), his history of physical violence against both her and [[Nancy Shimer]], the interpersonal relationship between the three of them, and how Daniel even went to jail because of this physical violence.<ref>[[:File:ElisabethShimerPapaGut(1).png]]</ref>
== Other Social Media Accounts ==
{{Quote|I'm Danny's mom and yes we have moved here for the services. He doesn't just have autism he has severe bi polar and shizophrenic. He has beaten me and my mom... he has lied and has fantasies about so many things. He does not want to listen to authority...he is not famous but wants to beleive he is.he does what he wants and if you dont let him he gets violent..if you want more information contact me|Elisabeth, in Papa Guts comment section.<ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>|author=Elisabeth <ref>https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png</ref>}}
While there are various social media accounts that can be verifiably identified as Elisabeth, there are also several TikTok and social media accounts with her name, but none of them have been verified, as most are run by people using her photos to impersonate her. Most of them re-upload videos from her YouTube channel to try and add validity, but some have caught the communities attention by leaving comments on Daniel's videos. But what is important to note is that '''none of these accounts are real''', as most of them have been created very recently and have no information to prove that they are the real, authentic Elisabeth.
Suffice to say, she had absolutely no more love for Daniel and had grown to despise him, despite being the only (biological) family she has still left.
==Other Social Media Accounts==
[[File:Shakybby.jpg|thumb|Example of a troll pretending to be his mother|367x367px]]While there are various social media accounts that can be verifiably identified as Elisabeth, there are also several TikTok and social media accounts with her name, but none of them have been verified, as most are run by people using her photos to impersonate her. Most of them re-upload videos from her YouTube channel to try and add validity, but some have caught the communities attention by leaving comments on Daniel's videos. But what is important to note is that '''none of these accounts are real''', as most of them have been created very recently and have no information to prove that they are the real, authentic Elisabeth.


When seeing an account claiming to be Elisabeth or any of Daniel's other family members, take it with a grain of salt, as it is mostly likely run by [[trolls]] or impersonators.
When seeing an account claiming to be Elisabeth or any of Daniel's other family members, take it with a grain of salt, as it is mostly likely run by [[trolls]] or impersonators.
== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:DannyElisabeth.png|Elisabeth and Danny boy.
File:DannyElisabeth2.png|Notice their lack of eyebrows.
File:Elisabeth1.png|Now it's clear where Daniel gets it from.
File:Elisabeth2.png|Her real parents have got to be siblings.
File:Elisabeth3.png|Mrs. Larson in the modern day.
File:Elisabeth4.png|Look at that double chin.
</gallery>
== See Also ==
* [[Family]]
* [[Travis Larson]]
* [[Nancy Shimer]]
== External Links ==
{{Before Era}}


==References==
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Elisabeth Shimer
ElisabethShimer.jpeg
Notice her distinct lack of eyebrows.
Name: Elisabeth Shimer
Aliases: Lisa
Time Active: {{{timeActive}}}
Alignment: Daniel Larson’s mother
DOB: November 4, 1976 - October 2024
Gender: {{{Gender}}}
Race: White
Nationality: American
Height and Weight: {{{HeightnWeight}}}
Parents: Nancy Shimer (1947–2019)
Daniel William Shimer (1943–2015)
Siblings: {{{Siblings}}}
Signature:
Daniel Larson Signature.png
Arcs Involved: Before Era

Elisabeth Lee Avey (née Shimer, pronounced: [shy-mer]; November 4, 1976 – October 2024), name commonly mispelled as Elizabeth, was the ex-lover of Travis Larson, adoptive daughter of Nancy Shimer and Daniel William Shimer, and most notably, the mother of Daniel Larson and his late siblings, Joyetta and Olivia Larson.

Daniel's father has remained a rather unpopular figure in the Daniel Larson community, but the same cannot be said for Elisabeth. She has remained consistently disliked, even by Daniel. Elisabeth had been accused of being highly neglectful and abusive towards her son, which is questionable, although somewhat substantiated due to the fact that Daniel was relocated to the Tennyson Center during his childhood. Despite this fact, Elisabeth had also accused her own son of abuse towards her, which is substantiated as Elisabeth was documented to have been assaulted by Daniel when he was 18 years old. Despite these mutual accusations of abuse, Elisabeth’s behaviors seem to have rubbed off onto Daniel during his childhood, as much like her son, she too had an interest in music.

Nonetheless, after Nancy's death, Elisabeth wished to keep absolutely no contact with Daniel, presumably having put a restraining order on him along with Travis. This is most likely due to the physical assault she had endured, although the claim of this restraining order on him has yet to be confirmed.

Sometime in October 2024, Elisabeth passed away from undisclosed causes.

Biography

Elisabeth Lee Shimer was born on November 4th, 1976, in California. She is the adoptive daughter of Nancy Shimer and Daniel William Shimer. Nancy was said to have adopted her through connections from her job as a social worker, as her job required relocating infants to care homes, with Elisabeth being one of these infants.[2] Due to this, information on her biological family is unknown. While unconfirmed, Elisabeth herself most likely suffers from the same mental disabilities Daniel has, or is at least somewhat mentally challenged. These claims come from her appearance, which is generally not seen in able-bodied individuals, and disabilities such as autism having very high heritability rates. However, until further information comes out, it will remain unknown exactly what she suffers from.

Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy prior to her divorce with Daniel Shimer, her adoptive father. It is unknown what real to relationship she had with him or her adoptive sisters.

In 1990, Elisabeth enrolled in YPIA (Young Peoples Institute of Arts and Academics), where she graduated from in 1993.[3][4] From 1995 to 2004, Elisabeth enrolled in Antelope Valley College, graduating in Music and Performing Arts.[5][6] Not long after enrolling in AVC, Elisabeth would meet Travis Larson, who, not long after, would help conceive Daniel with, to which she'd give birth on November 15th, 1998.

Daniel's mother grieving the deaths of Joyetta and Olivia.

Later on, on March 27th, 2001, Elisabeth would conceive children with Travis once more. She'd soon give birth to Daniels only siblings, twin girls Joyetta and Olivia Larson, though the twins passed away the following day due to RH incompatibility.[7]

Elisabeth would move to Colorado in 2009, when Daniel was 11.[8] According to Youtube comments, her reasoning for moving to Colorado was due to the mental and physical health support, which both her and Daniel would need, Elisabeth more so, as at this time, she was in a wheelchair. But not long after, she would have no custody over him, as Daniel would be taken away by the state of Colorado and begin living in foster care, and eventually the Tennyson Center. While the reason stated for Daniel being taken away was due to neglect, it is unconfirmed as to what Elisabeth (or Travis) did to him.

Elisabeth, tweeting about her "music career"

Daniel has stated that his mother “couldn’t take care of him anymore,”[citation needed] and given the fact that at this time Elisabeth was disabled and in a wheelchair, it is very likely that her disability impacted her ability and to care for him, resulting in neglect. Even so, it is hard to tell what is true about Elisabeth and what is not, due to Daniel constantly going back and forth on whether he was abused or not. This seems likely, though, as in 2010, Travis and Elisabeth had parted ways. According to one of Elisabeths facbeook posts, this occured after Travis told Elisabeth to stay away from Daniel, as he'd "never get better". With this absence, it most likely added an extra factor of difficulty to parenting Daniel.

With her new husband, James Avey, who she'd get engaged to on January 1st, 2011, she would co-own their business, Avey Incubator Inc in 2010, which sold animal incubators.[9]

Elisabeth, and James Avey.

Something that is interesting to note about Elisabeth is her affinity for singing, which most likely influenced Daniel to pursue a career in singing. On her YouTube account, she would upload several videos of her singing, the most infamous being tributes to various people, namely Daniel. One of these videos was directed towards Daniel, where she sang "I Won't Give Up", which was posted on the 28th of September, 2014.

On Elisabeth's Twitter account, she would frequently post about going to a music studio to work on her original songs, although these claims of having a music "career" and having "fans" are obviously untrue.[10]

Sometime after Daniel was adopted by Nancy, Elisabeth was soon given access to see him once more, though the exact date is unknown. She had also made a tribute video to Joyetta and Olivia, wherein she sang "Angels", sharing various pictures of them after birth. Elisabeth shows an intense love for both of these children, although by the time the video had been posted, it had been well over a decade after their births, presumably showing more love for them than Daniel.

Later life, and poor health

Since Elisabeth was roughly 20 years old, she had been diagnosed with an aggressive form of lupus, an incurable genetic autoimmune disease found predominantly in women, which caused her multiple health related issues.[11] While Travis lived happy life with his new wife and child(ren), the same probably cannot be said for her.

As of March 10th, 2010, Elisabeth has been put on chemotherapy and immunosuppressants due to her lupus, which eventually left her wheelchair-bound.[12] In 2015, she went into partial assisted living, where her health would continue to deteriorate further which is evidenced by her posting on Facebook about her being in and out of the hospital on a daily basis.[See discussion page, do not cite]


On February 8th, 2016, Elisabeth posted on Facebook that she is paralyzed from the breastbone down, causing her to be in a wheelchair permanently.[13] This should be remembered, as her being in a wheelchair would not prove to be positive within the coming years.

Death

Elisabeth died in October 2024 at the age of 46 due to unknown circumstances. [14]

Custody Battle for Daniel


Relationships

Elisabeth disavowing Travis. You go, girl!

Travis

Main article: Travis Larson

Like many other aspects about them, not much about their relationship with each other is known. But, according to Facebook posts, their relationship deteriorated around 2010, coming to a screeching halt after Travis called Daniel a lost cause, insisting he would never get better.

Elisabeth venting on Facebook.

After this, Elisabeth insisted that she did not need a man in her life, claiming Travis to be "..obsessed with sex" and not caring for others feelings. These posts kicked off a constant theme of not needing a man in her life. However, this did not last very long, following her engagement on January 1st, 2011.

After their breakup, Travis left her for another woman not long after Daniel was taken away. Following their breakup, Travis had at least one daughter with his new partner, named Aurora Larson.

Nancy

Main Article: Nancy Shimer

Got anymore pixels?

Elisabeths relationship with her adopted mother is most unknown. What is known is that through connections as a social worker, Elisabeth was adopted by Nancy. Though, it isn't known at what time or year she was adopted. In June 2022, in comments made under a video uploaded by Papa Gut, she elaborated on her relationship with her Nancy, where she claimed that Nancy had not liked her moving away to Colorado in 2009, resulting in Nancy "spreading lies", said lies being unclear.

What is important to know is that these claims about Nancy are most likely not true. Due to her disability, and Daniel (in Flexburgers words) "being an asshole", she was unequipped to care for him, especially given Travis's absence. Despite Nancy's enabling, It is most likely that Nancy called child protective services to get Daniel into a home where he could be properly cared for, which ended up being the Tennyson Center.

Daniel

Danny boy, and his absolute smokeshow of a mother. Talk about getting the Genetic middle finger.

Main article: Daniel Larson

Daniel is Elisabeth's first and only biological child after the death of her twins.

Elisabeth's relationship with Daniel can be best described as shattered. Daniel has claimed that Elisabeth was abusive to him during his childhood, though the exact nature of this abuse is unknown, as one time he said that she and Travis beat him with belts for "15 years", and at another time, saying that she had never abused him at all. However, in Facebook posts made in the early 2010's, Elisabeth would wax poetic about how much she loved Daniel. Even after Travis left her in 2010, Elisabeth still made an effort to try and get her back into her life, but eventually gave up on Daniel herself.

One of Elisabeths nicknames for Daniel was, "Danny Boy", which he'd grow to detest and hate being called. Daniel also alledges that Elisabeth hated being called "mom" or "mother", and demanded that Daniel call her "mommy", otherwise she'd get upset.[16] However, like many others things, it should be noted that Daniel is extremely delusional and his statements should not be taken at face value.

There are also extremely tenuous (and more importantly, unconfirmed) claims of Elisabeth sexually assaulting Daniel when he was a young child, which may have kicked off his pedophilia. This claim comes from question Daniel asked on his Quora page "Has your mother ever given you a hand job as a kid?" as well as a testimony from a person claiming to be a caretaker of Daniel's who said he had a "history of child sexual abuse." However, this is probably unlikely, given Elisabeth becoming paralyzed, and Daniel's history of beating his mother.

This would not serve her in the long run, as Daniel was claimed to have beaten his mom and his grandmother for "ten straight years", which painted him as the abuser. This got to a point where Daniel was even arrested, having to serve 44-45 in prison for 3rd degree assault after he shoved his mother. In June of 2022, Elisabeth would leave comments on videos made by YouTuber Papa Gut, detailing her experiance with Daniel while he was living with both her and his grandmother,

In the comments, Elisabeth would go into further detail on a number of topics relating to Daniel, including Daniel's various disabilities that were beyond autism (such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), his history of physical violence against both her and Nancy Shimer, the interpersonal relationship between the three of them, and how Daniel even went to jail because of this physical violence.[17]

Suffice to say, she had absolutely no more love for Daniel and had grown to despise him, despite being the only (biological) family she has still left.

Other Social Media Accounts

Example of a troll pretending to be his mother

While there are various social media accounts that can be verifiably identified as Elisabeth, there are also several TikTok and social media accounts with her name, but none of them have been verified, as most are run by people using her photos to impersonate her. Most of them re-upload videos from her YouTube channel to try and add validity, but some have caught the communities attention by leaving comments on Daniel's videos. But what is important to note is that none of these accounts are real, as most of them have been created very recently and have no information to prove that they are the real, authentic Elisabeth.

When seeing an account claiming to be Elisabeth or any of Daniel's other family members, take it with a grain of salt, as it is mostly likely run by trolls or impersonators.

Gallery

See Also

External Links

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References

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  2. Spiddlekick Interview
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  10. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/12isgoq/now_we_see_where_he_gets_his_musical_career_and/
  11. https://www.niams.nih.gov/health-topics/lupus#:~:text=Lupus%20occurs%20when%20the%20immune,circulating%20blood%20cells%2C%20and%20brain.
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  14. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/1gqk77t/rip/
  15. https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Final_Comment.png
  16. https://www.reddit.com/r/Daniellarson/comments/14kn6gg/surprising_revelations_about_daniels_mother/
  17. File:ElisabethShimerPapaGut(1).png
  18. https://daniellarson.wiki/index.php/File:Elisabeth_Comment_1.png
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