Grace VanderWaal

A photo of Grace VanderWaal.

Grace Avery VanderWaal (Born January 15th, 2004) is an American singer, songwriter, and actress whom Daniel Larson has had an obsession with since his childhood. Daniel's obsession with Grace began during his hyper-fixation with fame and his desire to date a celebrity, namely during the time when he would watch America's Got Talent with his grandmother, Nancy Shimer, during his childhood. Ever since then, Daniel has been attracted to her, despite Grace being underage. Daniel is physically attracted to Grace and ever since his infatuation with her started, he has decided, without her knowledge or consent, that they are dating. This 'relationship' would progress quickly due to Daniel's delusions (mostly fed by fake managers and trolls), leading to his posts on his numerous social media accounts regarding her becoming far more explicit in nature as time went on. Some notable posts include, but are not limited to, Daniel divulging sexual fantasies about Grace and the various unspeakable acts he'd commit towards her if he were to come into contact with her, to hysterically crying about her supposed "death."

Grace has never publicly acknowledged Daniel, but according to messages from her mother, Tina VanderWaal, she wants nothing to do with him. Grace (and to a lesser extent, her family) is often impersonated by trolls, who use her identity to gain Daniel's trust. Daniel is easily fooled by this due to either his sickening lust for her or his obvious mental issues, or perhaps both. On multiple occasions, Daniel has made a fool of himself by talking to these trolls about various disturbing subjects, and sometimes even sending revealing, and even illegal, material to them. Despite having been fooled dozens of time by multiple people pretending to be Grace, he continues to fall for many of these tricks to this day.

Despite being told off by Tina VanderWaal, along with thousands of people online, Daniel still reposts photos of Grace on Instagram and is known to comment on her various platforms.

The Start

Daniel Vs. The Girl he thinks he's dating. He still thinks he can get with her.

Beginning on May 12, 2021, Daniel claimed, though obviously untrue, that he and Grace had some sort of collaboration in the works that would be coming out soon. Eventually, he made a TikTok announcing that he was dating her. Things escalated quickly from there. Daniel, on several occasions, recorded himself telling random strangers on the streets that he was dating her. More disturbingly, Daniel recorded multiple videos of himself moaning and whispering in a sensual manner, supposedly for her. He posted hysterical videos about her allegedly "breaking up" with him, calling her a bitch and various other expletives. Although Daniel would make several apologies for the multiple sexually charged videos he made about her, he would continue with this undeniably disgusting behavior. Regardless of malicious trolls tricking and persuading him into thinking that he was dating Grace, and ultimately engendering his delusions of being with her, Daniel went above and beyond to show his unbridled obsession with her.

Daniel, well aware that Grace was only 17 at the start of his obsession, made various posts claiming that he would, "...wait until Grace is 18". Daniel has claimed to be in either a romantic or sexual relationship with Grace depending on his feelings (more so delusions) at the time. If romantic, he claimed that Grace was his girlfriend. If sexual, he explains the various explicit sexual acts he'd do to her. Even so, no matter what he is feeling, It is extremely disturbing no matter what.

Daniel still tries to claim that he does not like Grace for sexual reasons, but because he, "...wants to have a chance," with her. This is very obviously untrue, and furthermore, everything Daniel says about Grace should be taken with a huge grain of salt as he has a penchant for lying and internalizing his delusions.

I just wanted a chance and I need help! I was never givin a chance and every single time I tried to contact you i get threatened. I really like your daughter for who she is and not for sexual reasons. The trolls want everyone to think it's for sexual reasons. I just wanted to stand out and have a chance with her! I know the competition she has. We are all human and we do sexual activities though. But that doesn't make me a pedophile if I have never even done anything and everyone uses me because I don't have protection. I'm sorry for everything being crazy.

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  Daniel denying his pedophilic attraction to Grace.

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Daniel seems to hold Grace in particularly high regard. Thus, Grace is oftentimes the primary victim of Daniel's delusional harassment. Every once in a while, posts made by Grace on TikTok or Instagram would be filled to the brim with comments from Daniel as if he were having a conversation with her in real time. Furthermore, in any TikTok posts that Daniel made that regarded Grace, he would tag her, which would result in her notifications being filled with nothing but Daniel. He does this on almost every TikTok account he has, to the point where one of Daniel's TikTok accounts was suspended for his constant harassment towards her.

As of 2023, Daniel shows no signs of stopping his borderline obsession with her, constantly falling for trolls claims about Grace, and people who pretend to be Grace to get him to do egregious and quite frankly disturbing things. Even though as of recent his Grace-posting has seemed to dwindle, it has never truly died down or went away, Daniels current head-canon being that him and Grace are periodically breaking up and getting back together.

Delusions

The Death(s) of Grace VanderWaal

For some reason, Daniel has had multiple delusions of Grace being in harm, in the hospital, or even dying. The reason for this is still unknown, although he is most likely fed these ideas by trolls and various fake Graces.

The Likee Meltdown

During one particular delusion, Daniel, seemingly because he is without access to his phone, posts on Likee, a short video creating site that he stayed on during a period of time when he was banned from TikTok, in absolute despair for his followers to get him information. Based on the content of this videos, he is under the impression that there has been some kind of accident and that the VanderWaal family, whom he believes were in contact with him up until this point, is refusing to give him information regarding something he claims to have happened to Grace. Throughout the video, Daniel hits himself and threatens to end his own life. If you know anything about Daniel, he obviously did not follow through with his threats. Additionally, Daniel says that if he doesn't get into contact with the VanderWaal family immediately, he would allegedly be homeless and on the streets. This was a sign, although small, of things to come.

"Rest In Peace Dave and Grace VanderWaal"

Later, On the 4th of July 2021, Daniel uploaded a video to YouTube mourning the supposed deaths of both Dave, Grace's father, and Grace VanderWaal. In this video, Daniel believes that Grace had simultaneously commit suicide and suffered a heart attack. Before Daniel addresses the supposed deaths, however, he starts to cry hysterically, admitting and apologizing for sexting minors and sending Grace, or whoever he thought was Grace, pictures of his genitals. He promised to repent for the bad choices he had made and honor her legacy, which is honestly laughable considering what he does on a daily basis.

After the live stream ended, Daniel posted to his TikTok admitting he was a pedophile, for Graces "funeral", admitting that Grace was one of the minors he had supposedly sexted, with golden lines such as "I have sexted minors, 13 years old, well I'm gonna be honest, 12 years old". The video ends with Daniel saying that he planned to move on by not doing things such as this anymore and putting in the work to become a better person for her, especially after her "death".

In a strange way, this delusion of Daniel thinking that Grace had passed away but also wanted Daniel to carry on her legacy, while Daniel also desperately wanting to repent for his crimes against God and humanity managed to make him sound genuinely sorry for the bad choices he had made when it came to her, almost as if truly self aware. But as always, this did not last for long.

Eventually, Daniel discovered that Grace had not died, and continued his regular obsessive posting about her as if nothing had ever happened without a second thought.

Daniels (Failed) Trek from Colorado to New York

While in contact with a another fake Grace account, Daniel was informed by this fake Grace that "she" had supposedly had sex with another man. Daniel, fueled by delusions, rage and obsession, decided to hike from Colorado to New York in a futile attempt to win her back, rambling and saying a series of various wild things on TikTok during the night while on his hike.

In these Tiktoks, Daniel claimed that he had "officially fucked up" with Grace to the point she had broken up with him, sounding remarkably sober and in a rare moment of clarity, even saying that Grace was her own person and that she could date whoever she wanted to, and it was her choice if she wanted to date Daniel or not. Daniels reason for going to New York was to win back Graces love from whoever the fake Grace said she was apparently having sex with, and trying to guilt trip her in these videos by saying that he had as, "Heart disease from heartbreak," and in unnecessary, but presumably fake detail about how hard his childhood was.

As the video goes on, Daniel stays up through the entire night, to the point where you can see the sun rising in the video, determined to get to Grace no matter what or how much it takes. He continues to make wild claims and blatant lies during this walk, along with some karaoke here and there. However, this walk ultimately ended with Daniel, not even 48 hours later, turning back to Denver as he either he got tired from walking, or possibly learning that the Grace who he had been speaking to the whole time was a troll.

Contact

Grace's mom responding to what is most likely thousands of messages from Daniel

While it is likely she is aware of his existence, Grace has never publicly acknowledged on any of her social media pages Daniel despite hundreds of spamming attempts and posts by Daniel and trolls in both her TikTok and Instagram comments, most likely to not give any of these people attention which is undeniably the best route she can take. Because of this, it is theorized that Grace no longer posts to her TikTok because of this harassment. Grace was asked the question in a livestream with her friend Carson, who answered ''l know who you mean''.<ref>[https://iglives.tv/grace-vanderwaal-instagram-live-stream-1-february-2022/] timestamp 19:00 </ref>

However, this obsession culminated into Daniel being contacted on July 25th 2022 by Grace's mother, Tina VanderWaal. Although, it was not on the best of terms. Tina, through Messenger, demands that Daniel stop making contact with her family, more specifically her daughter, and that all of Daniel's actions and feelings are in his own mind, calling out his obvious mental illnesses and delusions. Something to note is that she claims to be in contact with the police, and if Daniel refuses to stop making videos and posts about Grace she would presumably press the issue to becoming a legal matter and possibly get Daniel arrested. This has still not happened and shows no sign of happening, presumably only being said in an attempt to get Daniel to stop which is not unreasonable, especially coming from the mother of a person who's been stalked by a mentally ill pedophile for almost half of her life. Following this, Daniel responds by stating that he understands but will be ending his life that night. He does not, most likely saying it as a way to guilt-trip her or gain attention.

"Stop saying my daughters name. Stop saying you are in a relationship with her. You are scaring her and our family. Everything you have said and done has been in your own mind. You need to access some mental health support and stop harassing my daughter. I have contacted the authorities and will continue to press the issue of you don't stop making disturbing videos. You followers have harassed my daughter long enough. STOP. " -Tina VanderWaal, confronting Daniel.

This interaction with Grace's mother would be the focus of multiple videos and community posts for quite some time after. Daniel would post multiple videos crying and/or hysterically apologizing to the VanderWaal family, continuously addressing the quote-unquote "allegations" against him, which fluctuated from admitting his misdeeds, to pretending they had never happened at all and they were all just rumors.

In an act of what can only be described as pity, mixed with empathy, Tina made a comment on one of his livestreams begging him to stop his obsessive posting about her and her family, once again.

"God Daniel….. do you think I’m watching your lives? whoever just contacted you claiming to be me was not me. I have no idea who Ox even is. I don’t want you to talk about Grace or our family anymore. I have only replied to you once when you DM’d me a couple of weeks ago - then I told you to stop saying Grace’s name but clearly you refuse to listen. Stop all of this. Everyone communicating with you are trolls trying to get you to do crazy things. Please STOP." -Tina VanderWaal

Upon receiving this message, and instead of stopping at her request, Daniel kept on pressing her with responses, asking her questions and various other things, which did not receive responses from Tina. Tina sent many public messages to Daniel on the account of Daniel's constant, strong unstoppable penchant of censoring messages he has been sent so he can be seen in a better light which he does constantly. Disregarding her messages, Daniel continued to post about Tina, Grace, and the VanderWaal team.

"I do mind. Stop everything to do with our family ESPECIALLY my daughter. You are making me reply publicly so you can’t censor what I’m actually saying to you. I’ve spoken to DDRC as well as the Denver police and Denver FBI. Do you really want to continue this? Again, just stop. Your reality is not real." -Tina's third, and final comment to Daniel.

Daniel responded to these posts by asking even more for forgiveness, claiming things got "fucked up" because of his supposed "past friendships" and that he's misunderstood, although once again, he never received a response. As of 2023, this was the last comment or message Tina has verifiably sent to Daniel.

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  Gallery of all of Tina's comments to Daniel/His responses. Read from right to left.

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Grace Rape Troll

During 2020, Daniel texted a number who claimed to be Grace Vanderwaal, the person behind this number has yet to be identified. In the texts this fake Grace sent, they claimed that they were currently at the White House, and was being raped by her father, Dave VanderWaal, along with being gang banged and impregnated by a multitude of people. Daniel, completely eating up all of this, goes along with it to purely fuel all of his delusions. Daniel, trying to understand it all, attempts to convince Grace to move out to Denver, where he was staying at the time, to press charges on her father for doing this to her and to presumably live with Daniel. What is important to note is that messages start off with Daniel being extremely sincere for Grace and asking what he can do to help, as he was worried for her safety, before Daniel proceeded to ask this fake Grace what it felt like to be raped, what ran through her mind, so Daniel, in all of his depravity, could picture what it looked like. His excuse for this behavior was so they could illegally use this information in court, however Daniel is a horrible liar.

Additionally, whenever this fake Grace would talk about allegedly getting raped, they said that it was being recorded and uploaded to some type of social media or porn website to which Daniel would ask her where all of these videos were posted so he could presumably get off to them because no matter how much he says he loves Grace, in the end all he wants is to have intercourse with her, or see other people do said acts to her, even if it means to have to see her get raped by her father or other men.

After this, Daniel went on to make multiple videos about this, along with claiming that he had called the police to deal with this matter, and considering his past actions, he most likely did call the authorities. Additionally, he claims that Grace said in their texts that the Secret Service was fully aware of her being raped in the White House and were actively letting happen and that she wanted to date him because of her supposed, but obviously untrue, desire to get away from her father. This situation ended with the fake Grace presumably stopping contact with Daniel once they had successfully trolled him.

AI Prank

On June 16th, 2023, Reddit user u/TMZ_news posted a video of Grace VanderWaal's Instagram account, editing the image, so her most recent post was a video addressing Daniel. The video was made through AI. In the video, "Grace" tells Daniel to leave her and her family alone, and that Daniel had never been in contact with any of the members of the VanderWaal family. u/TMZ_news went on to post screenshots of messages between him and Tina VanderWaal, where Tina claims the video was taken down due to Grace's lawyer advising her to do so, although these messages could potentially be fake. Daniel addressed the video on the community section of his YouTube page. His panicked reactions made it apparent that he did not see through the invalidity of the media posts, and had fallen for the elaborate prank.

Messages with u/TMZ_News

While Daniel himself may not have had contact with Grace, on June 21st, 2023, u/TMZ_News, previously mentioned, allegedly reached out to Grace to ask if she knew who Daniel was and if she had ever been in contact with him at any point in time during her life.

Grace, of course, tells them that they have never been in contact with Daniel and never plan to be in contact with Daniel, emphatically stating her hatred for him and desire for him to keep her name out his disgusting, scabies-infected mouth. None of which is surprising, considering the very disturbing things he's done in the pursuit of her, and the behavior of the people who follow his antics. No matter how you feel about Daniel, spam commenting Grace and her family members about Daniel is unacceptable behavior. Grace and her family have done virtually nothing to deserve it and are purely victims of circumstance. So-called "trolls" message her mother and say Daniel and Grace are dating, taunting her with photoshopped images of Grace and Daniel nearly on the daily. This behavior is disgusting whether you hate Daniel or love Daniel and there is no denying it or getting around it. Grace shares this sentiment wholeheartedly.

I know who he is, but I have never contacted him and don't have want anything to do with him. He's the worst thing that has ever happened to my career. Every time I search my name I see pictures of that dirty pedophile. My posts get spammed with comments about that freak Daniel. I hate him and I wish he would just stop talking about me. - Graces first message to TMZ_News

They reply to Grace with their condolences towards both her and her family, offering to stop messaging Grace about Daniel, which is honestly very mature of them as many other trolls fail to demonstrate this (Mainly on account of them being mentally stunted children).

No, it's okay I understand that you're just trying to help. It's nice having someone to talk to about the problem and I can tell that you're a nice guy. - Graces last message to them.

This was the last message Grace sent before their exchange ended.

There is a very high chance that even if Daniel sees these messages, he won't internalize it and blame it on trolls, or his past management, or use anyone he's met in his past as the scapegoat for Graces undeniable hatred for him. Because of Daniels delusions, he will go on to keep thinking that Grace loves him and that everyone else is a liar, virtually unable to face the facts. Grace is within her full right to hate Daniel, when he's been sexually attracted to her since he was well past the age of 18 (the most egregious videos made of her were made when he was in his 20's, and when she was 16-17) and especially when he's done but terrorize her and her family, inciting harassment whenever he comments on any of her posts.

There is also the strong possibility that these messages are likely faked. The chance of a real celebrity saying that they could tell a random stranger was a “nice guy” and that it was “nice to have someone to talk to”, especially after the messages with Tina, after two dms is highly unlikely, especially considering in the past Grace has done nothing but ignore people discussing Daniel on her pages. Until more evidence comes out, it’s important to operate under the knowledge that it is likely an elaborate hoax or at least alleged. However, the point still stands that Grace and her family want nothing to do with Daniel now, or ever.

And as always, no matter how close Daniel gets to internalizing the fact that Grace hates him and that her family wants nothing to do with them, he deludes himself by thinking that Grace loves him and that everyone else is a troll trying to ruin his life.